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KILLER GAME 7: Umineko - Game Room; Hide the truth inside the fantasy
Topic Started: Sep 24 2012, 06:05 PM (5,774 Views)
Mara Jade
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Technically... one person is dead... when her/his heart stops or when her/his brain shuts down. So either a person is alive or dead... you can't say the death started yesterday and finished today xDDD

Btw, next time... we'll need to check the bodies to make sure someone is really dead... is there another doctor in the house except myself? :))
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Toipilas
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There's a detective with flawless observation skills, does s/he count? :D
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Mara Jade
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True there!! But can the detective do what a doctor can? :))
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It's so confusing that the site crashed for a bit there
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Forum is down. This must be the doing of a witch.
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I don't know if a detective could save a life, but at least they could ascertain whether a person is dead or not! (Well technically so could any human, but... the only way to do that would be a rather gruesome thing to do.)

About the crash... Clearly a Witch of Information Gathering is trying to absorb all the data on the forum to solve the case by reading the private messages the Territory Lord sent!

Fun fact: One possible synonym for 'glory' is 'nobility'. :b Her Majesty, the noble witch-sama strikes again, apparently.
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WITCH OF INFORMATION GATHERING
Holds the ability to crash the forum and read all PMs send and received by the Territory Lord.
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Totally a real thing
Edited by Svbterfuge, Oct 3 2012, 08:48 PM.
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Toipilas
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It's not in Red, but I'm gonna believe it just this once!
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Mara Jade
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Damn forum... crushed when I was trying to edit my post...
Weeeeell... no need for that anymore xD
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I'm.. confused.
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In what condition was the room left after the first 'death' was found out, by the way? Did we lock the door? We obviously couldn't bolt it from the inside, what with us being outside and the bolt being cut. In what condition was the room (and especially the door) when we found the corpse later, stake and all? Was it a closed room? Any change whatsoever? If my observations on these things aren't trustworthy enough, I'd like to ask the Detective-san to check them, as well, please.

The first death doesn't need to be dwelt on any longer if it never even happened in the first place. If she wasn't killed in a closed room... well, you wouldn't need to be a witch to kill her, then. :p
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The room was no longer a closed room after the first discovery of Orica's body.
The latest kill is not a closed room murder.
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Everybody listen up please.. We're in danger. I know it sounds dumb, but witches are here tonight.

How these gracious hosts who welcomed me in their elegant slaughterhouse will solve the mystery of our collective massacre puzzles me. I do not know one tool of forensics that a spell may not elude.

Maybe the Golden Witch is not an individual but a timeless entity. Spells are not of the realm of the metaphysical, so why should we deduce the witch is? Surely such a witch transcends her organic vessel. Maybe we're all already under some form of spell.. You know what, I think we are. I believe our Detective figures will have to open their minds to invisible paths if this mystery is to be solved.



She's put a spell on us.. And now we're hers.. We can't stop the things she does.. She lies~
Been 300 years, right down to the day
Now the Witch is back! And there's hell to pay..


She put a spell on us.. And now~ We're~ Hers~!
Hello Salem! My name's Winifred! What's yours?
She put a spell on us.. And now we're Gone~Gone~ So long!
Her whammy fell on us.. And it was Strong~Strong~ So strong!

Our wretched little lives have all been cursed!
Because of all the Witches working~ She's the worst!

She put a spell on us.. And now~ We're~ Hers~!

Watch out! If you don't believe, you'd better get supersticious!
Just ask her sisters! Ohh yes, she's vicious!


She put a spell on us.. She put a spell on us!
Sisters!

Ah say ento pi alpha mabi upendi
(Ah say ento pi alpha mabi upendi)
In comma coriyama
(In comma coriyama)
Ay (ay) aye (aye) say bye-byyyyyyyyyyye!
Bye bye!

Edited by Fuuinashi, Oct 4 2012, 01:22 AM.
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Fuuinashi-san! Don't stop thinking! You shouldn't just give up thinking like that! To doubt the possibility of solving these mysteries is the same as to doubt the rules of this game itself, as to doubt the sincere feelings of the hearts of both the witch and the Territory Lord! The Golden Witch may be 'here' tonight, but if we figure out the witch's goals and stop them from achieving them, they won't fully revive, the storm will pass, and we just might be able to leave this island alive. Our only chance is to tackle the mysteries with all our power, all our heart.

Speaking of mysteries... It wasn't a closed room murder? What's the catch? Was she even killed by the Golden Witch, then? Or just the True Culprit trying to imitate the witch, sort of the opposite of what RayRay was saying right after the murder: two killers "killing" the same target twice to make it look like there's only one. In the worst case scenario they've even managed to find out each others' identities and are working together. D:

Anyway, since the latest kill isn't a closed room murder, there isn't really anything to say about that. Either it wasn't committed by the witch, or there's something about the murder that is yet to be revealed to us. Any lowly human with no magic at their disposal could have committed the murder the way it is now. *sigh* I just know I'm probably stepping into some terrible trap here. Was nice knowing you guys. Let's see again in Hell before the demons shred us to pieces.

I don't really have anything to say about the new poem. Both the oddly capitalized Glory and the knight seem to refer at nobility, just like the blue blood of the last note, but... I don't know. There's something odd about them. A bit like the witch has changed their modus operandi after the last kill. The first poem looked like it was telling how she was killed, yet this apparently has nothing to do with the state of the corpse. But maybe I'm just reading too much into it yet again.
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So much has happened while I was away fufufufu. Dear poor Orica, who must suffer.

I like your thinking people.
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Mara Jade
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And now I have a question to you all. I'm so ashamed I didn't realize this eariler... I... Who loves to solve riddles....
Let's go back to the first "death".
The door was locked from the inside as well as from the outside, right?
Then how on Earth did the butler manage to get inside and find the corpse?

Also, this one is for FW: the red of the deaths in the first post is also the red of truth?
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Toipilas I love you so much.

The butler has a master key and is able to enter most rooms.
The bolt was cut with a wire cutter.


The only Red Truth in the first post is the one telling the amount of people alive on this island. Orica's name might be Red and include some dates, but these sentences do not contain facts. Don't be mistaken though, Orica is dead. People wanted her dead. Only magic can bring Orica back from the dead.

ODICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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Didn't it say that the butler broke the locks? It's not all that hard to break a locked door down (usually). However, since the only thing that is to be taken as truth is red this game at this stage is near impossible to play.

- Orica was in a closed room.
WAS in A closed room, who says we're talking about the same room, and she was in the room, nothing states she is still in it at this point.
- She was locked in with a chain on the outside and a steel bar on the inside.
She was locked in, she didn't lock herself in, someone or something locked her in. WAS locked in though, nothing states when that was exactly.
- She was all alone.
Technically speaking you can't deduct anything from this statement as it doesn't specify when.
- The door hasn't been forced.
The door HAS not been forced. So the door didn't get forced by the butler. If I behold this as the truth I don't think anyone even opened the room at the time this was posted, how could the butler have entered the room without forcing the door? Could he have unlocked it without forcing the door? Not really, it states the door is locked with a steel bar on the inside, last i checked those can't be unlocked but only taken off the door from the inside.

I find this game to be very confusing as it's extremely hard to state absolute truths as they were intended. Not to mention that basically anything in the game can be ignored as it very well could mean nothing, except for things written in red. I'm not sure this game is for me, too many variables, too few actual facts. xP
Edited by NaturezForce, Oct 4 2012, 07:42 AM.
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Already has a correct solution for the riddle of Orica's "first death" been found. As there is no point in solving the riddles at this point, especially considering a few were already too close to the Final Answer, there is no need to worry about her locked room. It will be solved in a matter of minutes with the Meta World's coming.

Because of the above, Orica died.

We are at the stage of the original Killer Games. You should excel at this, NF. There is a 'whodunnit' who every player is tasked into finding out, yet all focus on territory out of their grasp. But your opinion matters to me, so if you want to solve this riddle for yourself, ask me to repeat something in Red. You are my favorite Naturezforce after all! I will try to comply.

Someone will turn into a Witch soon.
Edited by FreakingWesley, Oct 4 2012, 07:45 AM.
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