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| KILLER GAME 7: Umineko - Game Room; Hide the truth inside the fantasy | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 24 2012, 06:05 PM (5,776 Views) | |
| Toipilas | Oct 2 2012, 09:11 PM Post #61 |
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Beatrice's closed room definition basically means just that the inside and outside of the room are completely separated. No intervention from the outside can affect the state of the inside of the room. I don't see Orica's death mentioned anywhere in red, so for all we know, she might just be acting. :P Maybe she herself is the Golden Witch and is trying to look innocent by "killing" herself first! There's no way for the Human side to solve a crime if a crime never occurred in the first place! However, that would be a rather unfair move. It's technically not against the rules per se, I guess, but... still. Solving the puzzle would require doubting the very foundations of the game itself, in that case. :/ |
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| Mara Jade | Oct 2 2012, 09:12 PM Post #62 |
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Art is the illusion of spontaneity!
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what about windows? or ventilation tubes? |
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| Mara Jade | Oct 2 2012, 09:16 PM Post #63 |
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Art is the illusion of spontaneity!
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Dear Toipilas, there's another resolution to the riddle... The culprit was hidden inside the room when the butler found Orica. Then the butler left to tell us all what he had encountered and the culprit left the room unseen. So the culrpit and Orica were sealed inside. Pretty clever move I'd say. |
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| FreakingWesley | Oct 2 2012, 09:22 PM Post #64 |
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Why would I give you more ammunition to fight us? Any Red used by me at this point can be seen as gifts. Ahahahahahaha! Having the Golden Witch kill herself first, you should understand why that would be a valid strategy. Considering the Territory Lord is now also part of the battle, you're fighting against the entire game. I wouldn't have used this strategy until an eventual second game, though. The difficulty might be first-rate, but I am not cruel. Remember: Knox's 8th! It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not PRESENTED. Orica is not the Golden Witch. |
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| Svbterfuge | Oct 2 2012, 09:28 PM Post #65 |
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That cleared up nothing. I wonder, FW.. can you repeat this in red? "Orica was dead when the closed room was opened." |
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| Toipilas | Oct 2 2012, 09:31 PM Post #66 |
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Or maybe she was stabbed in the corridor, fled to the guest room and locked the door (and shut the bolt) behind her. Your (MJ) theory works as well, unless if "She was all alone" = "There was absolutely nobody else in the room at the time of unsealing". Was there anything odd about the room? Any (magical) swords lying around, for instance? :P As it is a guest room, I'm assuming there's quite a bit of furniture, possibly a walk-in closet and an ensuite bathroom? Anyone hiding in the hypothetical closets or bathrooms? They wouldn't technically be in the room itself, would they? |
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| Mara Jade | Oct 2 2012, 09:34 PM Post #67 |
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Art is the illusion of spontaneity!
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Orica was absolutely alone... or the butler didn't see anyone else in the room? and good 3rd hypothesis!! (stabbed in the corridor!) Edited by Mara Jade, Oct 2 2012, 09:35 PM.
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| FreakingWesley | Oct 2 2012, 09:34 PM Post #68 |
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![]() I refuse! The riddles are meant to be solved during the Meta World stage of the game. If you want to prematurely kill the Golden Witch so badly, have your pathetic Witch Hunter step up. Using their Blue publicly will surely mean their demise should they fail in staking the witch before her cooldown ends, though. But I'll allow it if they wish to challenge us, kishishishi. |
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| Svbterfuge | Oct 2 2012, 09:51 PM Post #69 |
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I'm a fan of the stabbed in the corridor theory. She could've been stabbed in the hall, run in, bolted the door behind her, and bled out. Then the killer could have placed the chain across the door on the outside to create the closed room. It's not only possible, but it's plausible Unless FW can tell us in red that wound immediately disabled her so she couldn't flee, I'm supporting this theory |
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| Fuuinashi | Oct 2 2012, 10:01 PM Post #70 |
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Lights, action, cameras flashin'! Managers, sponsors, concerts monster mashin', everyone's trashin'!
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I have no theories. I only suspect the unsuspectable. |
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| FreakingWesley | Oct 2 2012, 10:19 PM Post #71 |
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Slight rule modifications and clarifications: The number of confinement slots have been lowered to 1. As the Detective can instantly confine the TC if they put them under investigation, this seems more fair. The TC was unable to kill before the GW has made her kill, as this was the official starting point of the game. As such, the 48 hour rule started from that point on. As usual with the first death, the Tea Party topic has been made. Feel free to release your spamming urges in here: http://s1.zetaboards.com/Anime_World_Legacy/topic/4946576/1/ |
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| Fuuinashi | Oct 3 2012, 02:32 AM Post #72 |
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Lights, action, cameras flashin'! Managers, sponsors, concerts monster mashin', everyone's trashin'!
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I feel NaturezForce. I missed ya man, let's do something together? The two of us can probably figure out a way to kill some time. ^^ Edit: Okay, so I checked the murder and the riddle some.. Some observations, for what it's worth. The Golden Witch wants us to know she's immortal (and possibly) "high-born". I only assume the poem was altered to "blue blood" for some nobility reference. I presume she can probably animate objects, but most likely also shapeshift them. As there's no "Magic Sword" left on the crime scene, most likely no cutting objects in the guest room either (Which there would in the kitchen). I blame the Steel Bar for the murder. And I don't trust Furniture-Dude Saku because he can probably be animated by the Golden Witch in some way. ![]() (And maybe through the Golden Witch' first intervention was Saku activated as the True Culprit, aswell.. ) That's my thoughts. Oh and I also think Toipilas is doing great! You've shed the light for my hypotheses. ^^ (Chimpunks:) Christmas, Christmas time is near, Time for joys and time for tears. We've been good, but we won't last, Hurry Christmas, Hurry fast. Want a plane that loops the loop, Me, I want a Hula-Hoop~ (Chimpunks:) We can hardly stand the wait, Please Christmas don't be late. We can hardly stand the wait~ Please Christmas don't be late~! Edited by Fuuinashi, Oct 3 2012, 03:26 AM.
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| FreakingWesley | Oct 3 2012, 06:50 AM Post #73 |
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It seems nothing has happened during the night. As there seems to be some confusio concerning a certain someone's furniture, allow me to reveal another one of the abilities! THE WITCH OF ORIGINS Can create 1 from 0. Is able to create their own furniture.n Allowed to use the secondary account, Sakutarou, and post through them. Edited by FreakingWesley, Oct 3 2012, 07:48 AM.
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| Neko-chan | Oct 3 2012, 07:06 AM Post #74 |
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I'm from America now!
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Hm.. a shame. Boring class at school but nothing happening here? Such a shame, such a shame. |
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| Toipilas | Oct 3 2012, 07:57 AM Post #75 |
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Either nobility or haemocyanin -- maybe the Golden Witch is a crustacean or a mollusk! :P The only 'noble' players in the game (that I can see, anyhow) are... The Pirate Queen, Orica. 8| (and Sayuri-chan who wants to be the pirate king, but since I don't really know much about One Piece I doubt that really implies nobility) Oh, by the way, one of the pronouns in the poem wasn't changed from Him to her. Dunno if that's a mistake or a clue, though. Oh and a blood trail implies that the body was either moved, or that she could still move after she was attacked. Or that the culprit is dripping with blood as we speak. :P So I'm pretty sure she was attacked in the corridor. (or the trail of blood is really just some eerily blood-like substance left there to confuse us.) I was pretty certain someone would've died last night. Guess the True Culprit is sleeping. (Or Orica was TC, which would be rather amusing :D) |
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| NaturezForce | Oct 3 2012, 09:00 AM Post #76 |
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In red was mentioned: "She was locked in with a chain on the outside and a steel bar on the inside.". She was locked in from the outside as well as from the inside. Meaning someone placed the chain on the outside after she entered the room? The being stabbed and running inside make more sense when keeping that in mind, as the culprit could have locked the door from the outside after stabbing her, keeping them in to bleed to dead. One could also wonder how else there would be a blood trail leading outside, unless the killer left it. It seems the best fitting theory so far. There is however another option, the good old "It's was the butler with the bread knife in the guestroom!" theory. We all know it's always the butler in the movies, maybe he was in on it? EDIT: @Fuu, I wish I had much time to kill, been busy, working overtime on a regular basis atm... Not to mention the time difference between us messing shit up a bit. Still, I'll drop ya a line on skype sometime soon, but odds are you won't be there. :x
Edited by NaturezForce, Oct 3 2012, 09:12 AM.
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| FreakingWesley | Oct 3 2012, 09:37 AM Post #77 |
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It is actually not my riddle, this one. I will not give out anymore hints unless the Golden Witch asks me to. We will deal with this issue during the Meta World, though feel free to continue theorizing with each other until then. Everyone is still waiting for the Witch Hunter, after all. |
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| FreakingWesley | Oct 3 2012, 10:09 AM Post #78 |
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The Witch Hunter has made their move. Ignoring the heart of the mystery, they only wish to attack and solve the 'whodunnit'. They have constructed the following Blue: "Fuuinashi is the Golden Witch. He stabbed Orica with some kind of sword. I, the Witch Hunter, suspect him because of his attitude towards the game. Fuuinashi has been one of the first and most active players in past when now he doesn't seem to even care about solving mystery of the first death." A well constructed Blue. Allow us to tear it apart completely! ![]() Nice try. Fuuinashi indeed played on the front-lines of the last game, going so far as to becoming the Killer himself. Too bad you haven't looked at the games before that one! Fuuinashi's current playing style is similar to how he has played games before, so this is nothing unusual. Normally this would be enough to counter your Blue, but allow me to crush you completely, WITCH HUNTEEEEER! Fuuinashi is waiting for inspiration and was curious to see if he could get killed first. This is the motivation for his current playstyle. Your Blue has been REJECTED. Until tomorrow, aaaaaaaaaaahahaha! Edited by FreakingWesley, Oct 3 2012, 10:23 AM.
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| Mara Jade | Oct 3 2012, 10:38 AM Post #79 |
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hahaha, awesome game, I must say! I agree with the above. The most probable explanation is that Orica was stabbed in the hall, she managed to run from her killer and hide in the room, blocking the killer outside. And then the killer put the chain locking the door from the outside as well. This theory does not exclude the possibility of the butler being the killer. |
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| NaturezForce | Oct 3 2012, 10:43 AM Post #80 |
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Still not Relax-O
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Heh, funneh, I also suspected Fuu of being the killer. This was mainly before I read about the poem being copied though. The poem is something Fuu could have written, it's in his style. The fact that the poem was mostly copy-pasted doesn't mean he didn't do it, I mean he's still likely to pick a poem as such to alter. As far as the playstyle goes, nothing to be deducted from that at this point imo, as the red truth stated. |
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Maybe she herself is the Golden Witch and is trying to look innocent by "killing" herself first! There's no way for the Human side to solve a crime if a crime never occurred in the first place!





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