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| Mark Rain | Jun 13 2010, 03:55 PM Post #11 |
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While I agree with that, I also do believe that if Amy Martin had won, then having a majority means nothing. Frankly based on pure player votes, you guys will beat us out, which makes having a majority meaningless. Either way, both sides would be pissed. As long as NPC votes are counted, then having a majority means something. Otherwise, really the majority belongs with the Democrats/Populists and the Republicans/Libertarians should just give up. |
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| Daniel Jacobson | Jun 13 2010, 03:58 PM Post #12 |
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a majority based on made up numbers is nothing to argue over... |
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| Mark Rain | Jun 13 2010, 04:02 PM Post #13 |
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Really? So then the government coalition really isn't in power and they can't do anything as you push down socialistic bills down our throats, just because you guys have more members? If so that is total bullshit. Look you guys have the minority, which means that until after the election you have to be more moderate to pass your bills. Otherwise being in the majority MEANS NOTHING and the governing coalition can accomplish none of it's goals. |
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| jase | Jun 13 2010, 04:03 PM Post #14 |
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It isn;t our fault we were able to get more players. But you have to be honest here. No where in the rules of the senate or rules of the game (we don't realloy have any) does it say NPC's will vote. RULE IV. VOTING. Paragraph 1 (Universality): This Rule shall apply to voting in each and every Committee and on the floor of the Senate. Paragraph 2 (Votes): A Senator shall have the ability to cost a vote of support, vote of opposition, or vote of neutrality on any Motion, Act, Resolution, or Joint Resolution. Paragraph 3 (Counting): When counting votes, the President or Chairperson shall ignore any votes of neutrality, paying attention only to votes of support and votes of opposition. Paragraph 4 (Time): The President and Chairmen shall have the authority to place a limit on the time for voting on an Act, Resolution, or Joint Resolution. The time for voting on a motion or other procedural action shall be 24 hours. The time for voting on an Act, Resolution, or Joint Resolution in committees shall be between 24 and 48 hours. The time for voting on an Act, Resolution, or Joint Resolution in the Senate shall be between 48 and 72 hours. Paragraph 5 (Refusal): A Senator shall be permitted to refuse to vote on any matter. Paragraph 6 (Passage): Any Act, Resolution, or Joint Resolution shall pass if more Senators vote in support for that Act, Resolution, or Joint Resolution than vote in opposition of that Act, Resolution, or Joint Resolution. Any Act, Resolution, or Joint Resolution shall not pass if more Senators vote in opposition of that Act, Resolution, or Joint Resolution than vote in support for that Act, Resolution, or Joint Resolution. Paragraph 7 (Quiet): No Senator shall speak during a vote except to cast his/her vote. We NEED clarification because I need to know if the work I am dong in my chairman election and the work our list senators will do will be worth it or if we should just not put much of an effort because NPC's will be used in voting and so forth. Additionally, we don't know how NPC's are going to be used in the senate, what numbers they are using and if our coalition work means anything becase they are not stated. We are told one thing and something totally oppoosite happens. You have to understand whyt the dems are pissed off because we were operating under the understanding of one thing when the opposite happened. Our party as a whole woiuld have chosen a complete different action to take had we known. If you look at the ideology charts that were presented dems and gop are like 2% of each other. So us joining with the populists to put forth their candidate with our support wouldn't be as unrealistic since we are so close in the majority/minority race. One could surmise that the best plan of action would be to have the minority join with another party when the differences are so close to cause an upset, WHICH WE DID! If it was going to be a member of the majority coalition then he should have just let us know that we shouldn't really try. What we were told was the GOP was fractured, the GOP/Lib majority coalition was having major difficulties and that if we played our cards right we could take the senatre presidency. We worked under those guidelines and worked our asses off to get no where when NPC's suddenly had all this power. |
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| Mark Rain | Jun 13 2010, 04:09 PM Post #15 |
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I understand the rules are not clear and the admins seem to be making this game up as they go. That I understand and that is THEIR fault. As for the NPC count, it's obvious. Just take the number of seats you have overall, subtract it from how many players have signed up to be democrats, and you have your NPC total. Another fault was that you had two guys running. We had Smith drop out so Republicans HAD to vote for Blitzer, and we whipped it. I assumed you guys were given the same information, and am shocked they didn't-but clearly the fact that the Republicans and Libertarians were rallying behind one guy should have told you the coalition wasn't fractured. We also worked our asses of to get that coalition to work. So don't argue like we did nothing-we gave up lots to get the Libertarians to agree to be in a coalition and we also had to deal with a rash and stupid member which we eventually had to expel. |
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MARK RAIN Senior Senator of Texas Running for GOP Chairman GOP Communications Director Secretary of Defense Secretary of Health and Human Services Secretary of Transportation Secretary of Housing and Urban Development | |
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| jase | Jun 13 2010, 04:28 PM Post #16 |
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I am not arguing you didn't do nothing. I am showing what we were told vs what you were told are obvious two different things. THe admins are clearly at fault over this. THey need to either put the game on hold and finish working out what they are going to do or we will keep running into this mess. This is what happens when the beginning of a game is rushed and you haven't planned everything out and the players get told different things. I wish I would have been told what you were told. Our actions would have been completely different. THe admins need to decide where to go from here. Obviously they cause a major FUBAR. They need to finalize rules, finalize how the Sen Pres is chosen, finalize how they are going to use NPC's and not say one thing and then do another. We can't proceed without knowing what will happen because then all the work of the players is for nothing and the game cannot survive pissed of people who devote hours of hard work to see it just shrugged off like it's some smelly shawl. |
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| Mark Rain | Jun 13 2010, 04:33 PM Post #17 |
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I completely agree with you. We have all be running blind, and it's annoying and frankly I still don't know how exactly this game is supposed to be played. |
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| Ben Simon | Jun 13 2010, 06:02 PM Post #18 |
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One thing: CHAIRMAN ELECTIONS are like primaries. You don't get voted in by the players. You get voted in by the electorate. |
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| Amy Martin | Jun 13 2010, 06:19 PM Post #19 |
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20 pounds of crazy in a 10 pound bag.
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American Coalition for dummies even stated there be no npc. I not mad about loosing I am mad about being lied too. I worked hard whiping votes and coming up with a agreement with the understanding it was done by majority vote. A change this big to voting was NEVER talked about at all and should have been. What's the point of working hard on whiping votes and debating if it will never matter But that not the deal its the fact of being lied to that I have a problem with.
Edited by Amy Martin, Jun 13 2010, 06:23 PM.
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Was eaten by the purple people eaters peace | |
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| jase | Jun 13 2010, 06:32 PM Post #20 |
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Correct Ben, but still it goes to the point that our campaigns would be for naught if the NPC's have so much power. What about senate voting, debating, motion voting, etc? What if I as Chairman and then President (if elected) would veto a measure. Could then these NPC's override me when the players who voted didn't? THis is what I am getting at. I don't want my hard work, and the hard work of the other players to be for naught as it just happened. |
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