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Topic Started: Jun 13 2010, 10:00 AM (618 Views)
John Berlac


Okay, so it was to my understanding up to this point that NPC's do not vote and the vote is simply active candidates. However, in the President of the Senate election, the NPC's were simmed. Had the Democrats known that, our plan would have been much differant. Now, I don't want to sound like a complainer, but this is exactly why I asked for a solid rulebook. You see, I would have easily taken my name off the list had I known that the NPC's were voting.

Furthermore, I also personally contacted two admins about this issue and I never got a solid responce, leaving me to believe that NPC's were not voting. I can take a screenshot of these PM's if you wish.

Frankly, something needs to happen. First off, I would rather have a revotebecause the position of the Democrats in this situation would have been totaly differant. Also, I would like a solid rulebook ASAP. Its ridiculous that I am playing a game based on what I think I know, and not based on what I know I know.
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Also, 10 members abstaining? Is that even realistic in any measure? What Seantor WOULDN'T vote for the Presiding Officer?
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The Reason Blitzer won is due to he had the Republican (Majority) and the Libertarian Party Votes. However all seats need to be taken until furthermore in the game when we get about 150 players.
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John Berlac


Thats fine and dandy, but the Democrats based our plan for the President of the Senate, based on how we believe that NPC's were controlled. Is it fair that we were lead to believe one thing and based our plan on that, while another thing happened to be true? In all fairness, there should be a revote. Now, this isnt to complain or anything, but it really wasnt fair without s sustantial rule in place.
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I told you specifically that the admins simmed the NPC's by ideology, debate and playervotes when you asked.

The ones abstaining were players actually. Thats your problem not ours.


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You told me NPC's only came into play after the Senate elections and the President primary elections when determinig the majority and thus which parties candidate would be elevated. You said NPC's are not going to be involved in the Pres senate and it would be a Popular vote of the players.

The democrats worked hard to get our coalition organized and voted based on the information provided.

Additionally, when I suggested a dummies guide, you and I chatted on what was in it and you signed off on it after it was writter. You even link it in your signature. DId you read it because based on our conversations you will notice: 7. There are NO NPC campaigns/elections

If that is not the case, then why would you sign off on no NPC campaigns and elections?

In your opening to the nominations you state: As provided by the rules of this body, its members will elect a presiding officer amongst themselves. Nominations are open for 24hours

WHere are NPC's? You said members. One would think by you stating it's members it would be THE MEMBERS, not some mythical NPC based on ideology instead of the hard work actual members did to work out deals and so forth.

You have seriously take the hard work of MEMBERS of this game and said F You! If you were goung to use NPC"s you should have stated so. You now have so mant pissed off players that we want to leave instead of playkng a game that discounts any hard work and effort. You make us now question whether the POTUS and LIST elections won't be thrown and the hard work there discounted. Why should we contuinue to play if what WE do doesn't matter?
Edited by jase, Jun 13 2010, 03:39 PM.
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BINGO what HE Said ^^
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Well when I read members, I thought he meant members of the SENATE, not of the game. Anyways it would make no sense in-game to have the minority win Presiding Officer, because there are more human minority players than human majority players when we still have the majority. If we were doing a popularity vote than the MAJORITY party would loose it, and would also frankly NOT MAKE SENSE.

Just because NPCs can't campaign and have ELECTIONS as in run for SENATE, doesn't mean they can't vote in the senate floor for stuff like President of the Senate. It's a vote that all senators had.

While I agree the game is kind of skimpy, I always thought that the NPC senators would vote because frankly the Democrats/Populists players are more numerous and as a minority they would be able to lead the nation which makes no in-game sense.

Anyways when I asked about whipping this was Henry's response:

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You do it the classical way. The Senate Leader or his Deputy has a whiptopic in the partyforum where he puts the votes for senators to follow. Instead of only the players, we will also check your whips and cast NPC votes based on that.


However if you have "wrong" whips dont expect the NPC's to follow them the "GOP Sucks Act" is not gonna get Aye votes from teh GOP NPC's even if you want it to

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Additonally, if you are going to NPC the votes, whats the point of us even voting on things? Are you gonig to NPC all senate votes? What about motion votes? Final votes? Shouldn't the admins just play the game then? Where does our opinion matter if there are NPC"s voting along ideological lines? Why should we even try to convince people to vote one way if you are going to NPC the ideology of votes? THere is no game unless you listen to the will of the PLAYERS, and the players voted hand's down for AMY MARTIN
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Then that should have been stated clearly. We are lacking understanding of how things are going to work and you have some seriouysly pissed off players. You shoyuldnb't have started the actual game play if you weren't finished with the rules, making sure players understood how the voting woiudl go and so forth/
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