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| Bcadren | Sep 24 2011, 09:03 PM Post #1 | ||||||
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Basic Information: Pokémon Name: Snareins [Snail + Aries + Eins] Pokémon Sprite: (Third one Obviously; needs transparency, etc.Optional Image: Aries Seal Ramshorn Snail Shell Species Information: Pokémon Species: Ram's Horn Snail Gender Ratio: 50% / 50% ![]() Weight: 609.9 lbs. Height: 3' 11" Type: ![]() Abilities: Flame Body Sturdy Hidden Ability: Weak Armor Special Abilities: Magnet Sense Body Regeneration Body Glow Stellazio: Pokemon of the same color or Body Style as this Pokemon are move likely to appear. Species Description: Species History: A long time ago, thirteen spirits were sealed inside a stone table. Very little is remembered about how they were sealed or even what they were outside of symbols representing them on the table. Twelve seals around the circumference of the table and a single larger one in the center. The twelve symbols around the outside appear to influence one pokemon closest in form to the spirit, or so it's assumed; the center seal remains a mystery at this time; however. These appear to have a very similar nature to Spiritomb; leading some to hypothesize that the original pokemon/spirits sealed there were similarly evil, but outside of their power effecting certain pokemon; little is known about them and they do not seem to be able to telepathically speak to anyone visiting the ruin. All that is known of the first of these spirits, Aries, is that it was marked by the symbol of a Ram's Head, it had a great speed, and it's power was over steel. Magcargo exposed to the stone table reacts with the ram spirit; causing most of its shell to harden into a metal disk with an esthetic design that appears very much like horns. The remaining bottom portion of the stone shell becomes a stone backbone, which helps the pokemon left the large disk and the extra weight the pokemon now has. The gained magnetic power of the disk helps some as well, though it is not enough to left the entire lava snail from the ground. The pokemon picks up the habit of charging, using the huge disk for locomotion, allowing it to move much more quickly than the average land snail. There are few known specimens of this pokemon and it is unknown if they ever occur in the wild without having to meet the sealed spirits. The Ram's Horn Snail pokemon behaves as if it were a goat, despite it's obvious difference in form from the quadruped; leading some to call the pokemon simply "the Ram's Head". The pokemon eats anything in it's path, metals and stones are incorporated into it's metal disk, making it harder, most other materials are burned up as energy. The hardened disk flashes a bright red light when the pokemon superheats it by completely filling it with magma. This red light frequently illuminates the area around magma chambers in volcanoes, where these pokemon will gather if wild. Evolution Information: Slugma -Lv. 38-> Magcargo -Stone Table*-> Snareins Learnable Attacks: [ -- ] Iron Head [ -- ] Headbutt [ -- ] Yawn [ -- ] Smog [Lv. 5] Ember [Lv. 10] Rock Throw [Lv. 14] Harden [Lv. 19] Recover [Lv. 23] Flame Burst [Lv. 28] Ancient Power [Lv. 32] Cosmic Power [Lv. 37] Lava Plume [Lv. 38] Agility [Lv. 44] Flash Cannon [Lv. 52] Thrash [Lv. 59] Inferno [Lv. 67] Metal Burst [Lv. 70] Iron Defense [Lv. 74] Heat Crash [Lv. 81] Star Cannon** TM/HM List: TM04 Calm Mind TM06 Toxic TM09 Venoshock TM10 Hidden Power TM11 Sunny Day TM12 Taunt TM16 Light Screen TM17 Protect TM18 Rain Dance TM20 Safeguard TM21 Frustration TM22 SolarBeam TM23 Smack Down TM26 Earthquake TM27 Return TM32 Double Team TM33 Reflect TM34 Sludge Wave TM35 Flamethrower TM36 Sludge Bomb TM37 Sandstorm TM38 Fire Blast TM39 Rock Tomb TM41 Torment TM42 Facade TM43 Flame Charge TM44 Rest TM45 Attract TM46 Thief TM48 Round TM49 Echoed Voice TM50 Overheat TM55 Scald TM59 Incinerate TM60 Quash TM61 Will-O-Wisp TM63 Embargo TM64 Explosion TM66 Payback TM67 Retaliate TM68 Giga Impact TM69 Rock Polish TM70 Flash TM71 Stone Edge TM74 Gyro Ball TM77 Psych Up TM78 Bulldoze TM80 Rock Slide TM90 Substitute TM91 Flash Cannon TM95 Snarl HM04 Strength Tutor List: Knock Off Ominous Wind Sucker Punch Last Resort Snore Swift Ancient Power Earth Power Gunk Shot Heat Wave Iron Defense Rollout Seed Bomb Block Headbutt Skill Swap Snatch Endure Stealth Rock Dark Pulse Sleep Talk Rock Climb Egg Group(s): Amorphous Egg Moves: Acid Armor Curse Earth Power Heat Wave Inferno Memento Rollout Smokescreen Spit Up Stockpile Swallow *The Stone Table is a location evolution; similar to Eevee into Leafeon in games. It's a ruin, hidden somewhere (I'm not hiding it myself, but I'm going to suggest somewhere in the Forest of Legend or unexplored areas on the main island). The room was used to seal away wandering mischievous spirits long ago, though it is not but a ruin now. The design of a star chart is upon the top of it, with 13 particular constellations highlighted and associated seals with each of these thirteen. ** Attack Name: Star Cannon Attack Element Type: ![]() Attack Type: ![]() Attack Power: C Attack Description: The Stellazio symbol on the Pokemon [Aries - ♈ (its between the eyes, the line where the horns meet the head)] fires a strange bright light cannon. Attack Effect: This moves type effectiveness is based on comparison of the user and the target's body style and color group; rather than normal typing. The color portion of the effectiveness is drawn from the relation of the two colors on a color wheel; least effective to pokemon of the same color and most effective to pokemon of the opposite color (Red is strongest against Green); the Body Style Portion is tied to a chart associating each body style of the 13 to one of the original 15 types, with only Normal and Ghost excluded). Charts will be appended when they are finished. Body Style: ![]() Color Group: RED Edited by Bcadren, Sep 25 2011, 06:44 PM.
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| Kazuki | Sep 24 2011, 09:26 PM Post #2 | ||||||
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Catch me if I'm wrong... Slugma... That line looks likes slugs... How will you defy logic and add horns to a slug and say it is a Ram's Head pokemon? | ||||||
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| Bcadren | Sep 24 2011, 09:42 PM Post #3 | ||||||
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Literal interpretation of "Ramshorn Snail"; combined with my need to have exactly a pokemon with color group RED and body style of Fire/Steel type, that was a third evolution, lead to some creativity; sure it's way better if I just made a flying goat's head from scratch completely (which would look like it belonged in DOOM rather than in Pokemon). I said earlier the Stellazio set is extremely strict. Besides "Snareins" is a combination of Snail, eins and *****; tying into the strict ************ base of the fakemon. I got the idea from ******** in Magic the Gathering and the ancient Greek ****** along with the ****** ****** from Final Fantasy *******. Sorry, I won't explain more right now; just suffice as to say; I'm over a week into this set, because of the strict rules I needed to follow to give it any chance of making sense.
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| Ashy | Sep 25 2011, 07:10 AM Post #4 | ||||||
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*Sigh* Where to begin. I'm not being purposely mean, and I don't say all this because I dislike fakemon. At the end of the day, people around this forum know I'll still give aproval to worthy fakemon, jokes in the cbox aside. But, jesus christ.. How many fakes do you need to make, seriously? It wouldn't be too bad if they were brilliant idea's, but quite frankly they aren't even a little bit good. Secondly, why do all the fakemon you make seemingly need custom moves, or custom items or ways to evolve? It's either a new stone you're trying to introduce, or new attacks, etc.. Next, we come down to the moves and abilities you give them. They are always, always overpowered. Even if only a little, you still overload them with powerful attacks. And lastly, none of the information you give ever makes sense, not to me anyway. The history is brief and lacking information and explination, then when you are questioned you produce a wall of text that makes no sense what so ever. Infact, I don't even know what you've just said in your last post in response to Kaz. I could even try to compensate and forget all that, if it was actually a good idea. It's not, not at all. All of this ofcourse, ignoring the fact that I disagree majorly with fakes being made and added to existing canon lines. Stop trying so hard to take control. |
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| Roku Hannya | Sep 25 2011, 08:04 AM Post #5 | ||||||
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This. I give this fakemon an automatic thumbs down. |
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| Bcadren | Sep 25 2011, 02:29 PM Post #6 | ||||||
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Alright; I'll bloody explain then. It's based off of a set of thirteen demons based off the Greek characters tied to the Western Zodiac. This is Aries; also, being how **** strict this idea is because of how the stellazio set works. The idea came from the unhinged set of Magic Cards which throw out normal typing and do damage based off of which artist made it and other absurd things most people ignore. The entire set then was designed off of having one of each color group and body style corresponding to the symbols and traits of the mythological creature. In planning alone and working out the damage chart for star cannon; I'm about two weeks of work into these. I was wanting to use unique ideas to tie them into existing pokemon rather than the really obvious fire/steel type flying goat head that would be really creepy and because of the associated power of this line they have to be third of a set and there is no way I could possibly make a unique line that is just a head the entire time and winds up as a floating steel/fire goat head. I made the pokemon's information intentionally vague and quickly out of not wanting to explain all this already AND I'd spent most the day on it's sprite; original edit; added details to it and made it's horns look more like Magcargo's shell. Also, this isn't something unique for one ****** fake it's shared by the whole set. Star Cannon and the evolution method is every last one of them. The entire set is: Aries; Red; Head only; Ram's Head Pokemon; STEEL/FIRE; Magcargo evo that had it's shell harden into a steel disk that looks like a set of horns and gained a iron ore backbone etc. Literal interpretation of Ram's Horn Snail. Taurus; Green; Head and Legs; Minotaur Pokemon; ROCK/GROUND; Not completely decided, Taurus is an obvious choice, Rhydon Alt. Graveler Alt. and Rampardos evo. all also make sense. Regardless, MUST be bipedal and most NOT have arms. Gemini; Yellow; Multiple Bodies; Many Spirits Pokemon; GHOST/FLYING. Spiritomb evo. that is associated with it losing it's stone and no long being tied to a point fits well I think. No other good ideas; must be multiple separate bodies, like Magneton. Cancer; Blue; Insectoid; Crayfish Pokemon; BUG/WATER. Armaldo? Maybe...unsure. Can be pretty close to the real thing. Leo; Brown; Head and Arms; Lion's Head Pokemon; FIGHTING/FIRE. Stand-alone; Final form is a fire-breathing hecatonchire (Hundred-handed fighting beast with a lion's head and no real body in the center). Virgo; Pink; Head and Base; Flower Maiden Pokemon; GRASS/GROUND. Maractus evo, looking like a Greek Acolyte (Ceremonial Dancer), covered in it's pink flower. Libra; White; Multiple Pairs of Wings; Judgement Pokemon; PSYCHIC/FLYING. Xatu evo is the most obvious option and I have an idea for it; many winged creature somewhere between a white dragon and a full flying totem pole. Scorpio; Purple; Bipedal w/ Tails; Scorpion Pokemon; POISON/WATER. Thinking Drapion evo. or Skorupi alt. I'd prefer it to be a second stage and can make it make sense; at least form/appearance wise from Drapion; the necessary change of type may have some resistance. Sagittarius; Brown; Quadruped; Archer Pokemon; ELECTRIC/FIRE. Thinking Torkoal evo, with a steam power spear cannon on it's back, basing around the fact that it's a coal furnace pokemon to use it as a steam turbine to fire spears like a steam-tank from old steampunk stories. Capricorn; Green; Bipedal, no Tails; Horned One Pokemon; DARK/GROUND. Thinking wicked/tricksterish Marowak evo. Adding in a bit of desert vegetation and decay on it's bones to fit the Horned One's association with fertility in Pagan religions (comes from a Greek trickster god originally though). Aquarius; Gray; Single Pair of Wings; Medicine Bearing Pokemon; NORMAL/FLYING. Thinking a Miltank evo. that refills a cup with gold fluid that adds status healing effects on top of the basic effect of Milk. Technically; the cup it carries should be Honeydew, the healing nectar of the gods, though I felt a pokemon that already makes a healing item fits better than one that would make sense making honey; only other pokemon I really could tie it into and make sense is Gloriel. Pisces; White; Fins; Great Fish Pokemon; ICE/WATER. I have an idea for a Seaking Evo. not exactly sure how developed it is, but it is the fastest/simplest change of the set. Ophiuchus; Black; Serpentine/Tentacled; Serpent Bearing Pokemon; Dragon. This is a stand alone giant tentacled beast carrying snakes. As to how many fakes I need. For this set, thirteen; altogether, no idea; though this set is somewhat strict and the individuals take more weird creativity than something I designed that wasn't tied to this strict structure. As to control; no interest in it. I just write ideas; I tried to make my own site once, used my own stat system and got burned out on Hypno (editing every pokemon to fit the system); plus, no one ever came to the site anyways, so what the **** was the point. It's just an exercise for me though, working on complex ideas; system designs, pokemon designs etc. work practice for me. |
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| Jsol | Sep 25 2011, 02:38 PM Post #7 | ||||||
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I won't say the idea is terrible, because it isn't. It just doesn't fit here on this particular site. It sucks you put so much effort into it just to have it shot down, but making a 13 Pokemon set is a little too ambitious in my opinion for this site. Maybe somewhere else. As for your own site that sucks to hear about that, but maybe that's a lesson you should take from it. Don't try to over complicate things, don't make things so complex with your own stat system. It sounds great in theory but in reality it's too complicated to do all by yourself and for such little reward. Leave that stuff to Nintendo. | ||||||
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| Kazuki | Sep 25 2011, 03:51 PM Post #8 | ||||||
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... The Zodiac thing isn't a bad idea. Hoooooowever, I don't necessarily think they should go off of canon pokemon. Be creative and make a pokemon based off of them. Aries, is a Ram, right? Look at pictures of supernatural rams and horn like animals. I can probably think of some I've seen. I don't do sprites, but I do draw. If I had more time, I'd be glad to draw something up. Edit: Also, like I've seen Ashy say... you're trying way to hard. You can see some positive feedback on Matt's first attempt at a fakemon. The information is good, it is simple, and the sprite looks good. Not saying yours doesn't, though I still don't like the idea of Slugma growing a little and having grown horns and a shell that just grew comes to disappear again. The Zodiac thing sounds good, like Jsol said, but if you make it your own idea and simplify it a bit more then what you are doing... people might come to agree with the fakemon. I'm Sagittarius. I could see a small sprite and fakemon evolving by a certain level or Shiny Stone, let's say, and that'll be fine. Edited by Kazuki, Sep 25 2011, 03:57 PM.
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| Ashy | Sep 25 2011, 03:57 PM Post #9 | ||||||
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Don't sound so angry that you have to explain an idea. Seriously, if this idea was to get in, the information is going to need to be there. Do you think the admins would allow a fakemon which you refused to "Explain more right now." ?
Again, look, you ramble on about things completely irrelivant to here and now. This is pokemon, not some magic card game. Words and names like Stellazio, 'star cannon' make no sense to me, and I doubt many other people.
So really, you are using canon pokemon as guinea pigs to import your ideas into this site. And, as I said before. You "Intentionally" made the information "vague and quick." Well, regardless as I already said you won't be getting fakemon aproved if you don't provide the neccesary information.
13, for this 'set' alone? That is overkill, you are trying far too hard.
The way I see it, your own site failed. So, instead, you came to an already established site, with plenty of members, and tried to import your ideas from there to here. Dress it up and give your story all you like, I can see it. You're trying too hard to run this site on your own ideas. You've even PM'd people within my guild to try and imtwine an idea of yours into our already existing clan. Again, like I said before. I'm not trying to come across mean. Sometimes people need some straight up criticism. You bombard the site with ideas that rarely get any aproval. So, save yourself the time, the hastle and stop trying so hard with every little idea that enters your mind. |
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| Bcadren | Sep 25 2011, 04:18 PM Post #10 | ||||||
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Dude; my site didn't fail; it was never finished; even if it was, I wasn't using any fakes to start...I was starting with just the first 150 in fact because of the amount of trouble it was to redo every pokemon's learn sets, evolutions...etc and make alternate sprites for every pokemon...it would have been months after opening before I'd introduced all the canons, despite any fakes. THIS IDEA came up in conversation with Snow and Miles in the cBox; it's pretty new; that site I gave up on about two years ago. If you really want to hear the types of ideas that were from that site; sure let's talk about your pokemon and trainer's karma stats; the effect of the intelligence stat on the effectiveness of status moves; the effectiveness of using a medium to channel the spirit of your pokemon that died in battle; what your reputation with each of the major world factions does to how you are treated in each town; which moves are hidden and only discovered if you level the right stat; my stat leveling system. AKA; NONE OF THE IDEAS FROM THAT SITE HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE; also, yea I can't say it failed, I didn't even ever have a member, I never finished the first 150; and as far as guests coming and looking at it go; seven, ever. It never started. Oh and I only talked to your team after Sora said my ideas were similar; I actually have a running grudge against it though; mostly because I HATE a single organization running everything and my mind immediately pulls to something like Crucix to see something that huge and powerful. This set of fakes is a weird idea; I'm pulling in canons, because I don't want to make that many three stages and if I did make from scratch something that needed to evolve into the "Ram's Head" pokemon; the idea would never be nearly as unique as what I pulled out there using a canon and like I said earlier it'd end up more disturbing than useful. My ideas that aren't part of sets aren't as "weird" but they aren't as creative either as I'm not trying to tie it in and work out something this peculiar. When I explain something you just say it doesn't make any sense and it starts seeming like I'd have to put the whole set together before submitting one because of it "not making sense" until then. Things that I've submitted that were original ideas, not tied to trying to form a larger set; the first two Wormadam cloaks (Snow and Ash); based off of areas in the game and not going out of the way to make more formes. Though it's sprite is terribad and I probably need to redo it in general, the Parasect evo was based off a real phenomenon of highly flammable spores as it's root and went from there. The three fate pokemon, came up in cBox with Snow; took all day, but tied to nothing else whatsoever. Also, there's an alt. evo. for Pineco that came from a real world source and not need to fix it to a set. Most items [items as opposed to Pokemon] I submit are really not even that much of my idea, just going logically off pokedex or trying to import a TCG only item into a [mostly] game based setting. For the record, if my site had been finished; it drew from games, manga and TCG; the fallout series; a huge bulk of my own ideas from when I was thinking about making a pokemon MMO; a lot of hidden stuff (to the point that if you are the first owner of a Pikachu on the site...you do NOT KNOW what it'll learn by level up; which only me [and eventually other Admins] knowing what moves are learned when based off of a group of hidden charts). Edited by Bcadren, Sep 25 2011, 04:23 PM.
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| Jsol | Sep 25 2011, 04:47 PM Post #11 | ||||||
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Look, we're not trying to be mean here we're just trying to help (in our own personal ways I suppose). Like I said, it's an interesting idea, but making it off a canon Pokemon doesn't go well here. I know a number of people don't like adding to what already exists and instead opt to make new Fakemon altogether. You say you don't want to make so many different lines so you're adding to the canon, which to my ears at least sounds like you're just being lazy which I'm sure isn't the case but that's really what it sounds like. My advice is to stop ignoring criticism or lashing out against those who are trying to offer help. And please stay on topic about the fake, your other ideas about your own site that never came to be can be saved for another topic. My point here is that maybe you should listen to what others have to say and not get so defensive. If people don't like your idea it's possible it's a bad idea, or has room to change, or there's room for compromise. I've had plenty of ideas shot down, but you don't fight it. You move on and start over. | ||||||
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| Ashy | Sep 25 2011, 04:51 PM Post #12 | ||||||
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There is 4 guilds. Not just 1. Whatever, anyway, it's a no from me. You don't want to listen to anything anyone says and argue with anyone who dislikes your ideas, followed by a huge life story. So, I won't bother. No. Edited by Ashy, Sep 25 2011, 04:52 PM.
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| Bcadren | Sep 25 2011, 04:58 PM Post #13 | ||||||
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Direct attacks =/= Criticism. Seems like the other three are near inactive and mostly NPC. Also, the Order; if/when I can start it; completely different focus; fitting Luke. Also, I'm tired of this shouting match with Ashy; I'm pulling back and re-explaining a bit on the actual pokemon. Seems like I didn't even notice the other comments for being in the middle of feeling flamed; I'm not sure that's the point of it, but constantly offing on all my ideas feels like that sometimes. I'm re-editing and getting rid of magnet rise; taking away the magnet rise and re (more fully) explaining things and playing with the moveset a touch more (though it mostly just matches Magcargo). Edited by Bcadren, Sep 25 2011, 05:08 PM.
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| Roku Hannya | Sep 25 2011, 06:00 PM Post #14 | ||||||
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I didn't see what Ashy was saying as an attack, actually. You just chose to take it that way and in return attacked him for giving you strong criticism that he does for ALL fakemon... Escpecially cannon evos. | ||||||
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| Bcadren | Sep 25 2011, 06:18 PM Post #15 | ||||||
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Criticism originally was on the number of fakes I submit and saying that "none are even a little bit good." Given the amount of work that goes into them; it's comparable to me running into own of your fake threads and saying that I don't like your sprites. I'm done talking about it though; I think I'm just going to ignore Ashy here on out. Anyone else is welcome to say stuff though; I'll take it, just keep it to the moveset/abilities/etc. not all I don't like evolutions to canon pokemon, as that doesn't really help. Even if I can't complete the set; I stand by this fake because it is finished and that's one of the best sprites I've made; like ever, despite it being from scratch (except color scheme); where most of my sprites haven't been completely from scratch. |
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