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Suggestion: Shellder Poison
Topic Started: Jan 26 2011, 07:44 PM (626 Views)
Kaiser

Going back to what Roses said about different effects on different pokemon, and Bcad's counter about all poison moves functioning the same, I think there's something to be said for the fact that every generation adds in more Pokemon. This would logically lead to the conclusion that there are probably THOUSANDS of species of Pokemon in the world (much like there are animals in our world), and thus since we have really only scratched the hypothetical surface of what can be assumed to exist, we can't necessarily claim that we've seen the effects poison moves have across the board. Hell, for all we know, in some distant region that hasn't been shown to us yet, there may be a singular evolutionary line with a special DNA marker that helps them RECOVER health from being hit with poison (like the dry skin ability uses water.) Furthermore, even in those species we DO know about, the claim that they are all effected to same is flawed in that poison types are immune to being poisoned.

There are plenty of examples in our own world where something that is beneficial to one species is detrimental or deadly to the majority of others. Thus, Roses has a very good point and unfortunately for Bcad, we don't really have the evidence to support his counter-claim. If ONE evolutionary chain out of hundreds recieves a benefit from something that (potenitally) would otherwise harm the rest, then it's only fair to assume there may be ONE that functions similarly to another type of poison.

Lastly, just to add my two cents (I know I'm not staff, but just a thought that might be worth considering); if this compound were beneficial to all pokemon, why would it be called a 'poison'? Clearly, by that choice of descriptions that ISN'T the case. If it were meant to have positive effects across the board, a different term such as chemical or compound would have been used. I think the wording of these descriptions (which, if I'm not mistaken, are from pokedex entries anyway, which I've been told this place doesn't recognize as fact to begin with) is pretty plainly suggesting that this is an abnormal effect for this 'poison' to have. Besides, if it wasn't, and this 'poison' had a similar effect on any pokemon, you'd think it would be documented somewhere in Shellder's background, and not specifically in the slowbro family.
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Only real problem that comes up is the "Poison" factor. In the Pokemon world Poison is just a negative status that slowly deteriorates the Pokemon's Health. Referring to the toxins as a Poison is the wrong way to go. Through Pokemon Standards a "beneficial poison" does not exist.

As for what Rose was saying, all the Medicines in the Pokemon world do the same thing and I understand what she means.

Potion gives a flat 20 HP. That is the same to no matter who you give it to yes, but the rate of use varies between Pokemon. A Potion does better on a Pokemon with Higher defense but extremely low health like Shuckle while barely helps on Pokemon with extremely high Health like Chansey. The Pokemon's Health is different so they'd need different dosage amounts for effective healing.

Dosage for Real Life medicines vary between people with special conditions such as age, certain diseases, and physical issues. Children have to take less Asprin than adults when they feel ill. Asprin has the same dosages of medicine in their pills, but adults have to take larger dosage amounts to feel the effects.

Right now this idea is a simple no. Though not for reasons some of you may be thinking. Bcad has yet to explain WHAT the item can do. He just says what it does while Shellder is clamped onto Slowpoke and its Evolved forms. While he is making a suggestion, there is no actual suggestion in place for us to work with. So this topic gets a no.
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For the record, this was originally Rem's idea; we were discussing it via AIM before I posted it. He wanted to see if there would be hostility just because it was coming from me. The pokedex entry for Slowbro I find most interesting is:

"If the tail-biting Shellder is thrown off in a harsh battle, it reverts to being an ordinary Slowpoke." ~Gold, HeartGold

Mostly because it's only mention of De-evolution, outside of the TCG.
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For the record, this was originally Rem's idea; we were discussing it via AIM before I posted it. He wanted to see if there would be hostility just because it was coming from me.


The outcome would of been the same wether it was you, Rem, me or Kaz who came up with it. A stupid idea is a stupid idea and theese responses would of been the same even if everyones favourite friendly neighbourhood Mer had posted it.
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*Phweep* I wouldn't say this was a stupid idea, it brings up something that could work. Bcad the only thing I can say right now is, write up something that tells us what this toxin can do...even if it is something like, "This toxin can be harnessed and used to make Antidotes" I know it's not a great example, but for Inventor's Merchants etc, they can use it to make their own sellable/useable items. Think up a theory for it, and post it up in the Custom Items Forum. It will be judged based on the idea alone, and if it reasonable and makes sense.

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Alright; I've been running some research tonight and I think I can fine tune my suggestion and logic.

Shellder is apparently based on the real world Washington Clam or Razor Clam

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Notice the elongated feet tongues. Anyways; the reason this is relevant is that these clams are edible, unless they've been exposed to red tide, within the last two years; because these are the clams that hold onto Saxitoxin the longest and therefore are most like to cause Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning. Saxitoxin doesn't effect most fish, shrimp or clams at all; but is deadly to mammals, causing deaths in otters; whales and humans that eat clams infected with the toxin. Slowbro's description:

"Naturally dull to begin with, it lost its ability to feel pain due to Shellder's seeping poison."

Is actually quite accurate as to what a small amount of the neurotoxin would do to a mammal; complete numbness, with some mild paralysis (which doesn't effect Slowbro much, because he's slow to begin with). Now; how that ties into what it does to Slowking though is where this takes a turn into not matching the real world as much.

Neurotoxin, if taken more broadly, also includes drugs that treat Parkinson's disease; some anti-depressants; some anti-psychotics; anesthesia drugs and narcotic hallucinogens.

"Every time it yawns, Shellder injects more poison into it. The poison makes it more intelligent."
"Being bitten by Shellder gave it intelligence comparable to that of award-winning scientists."

Can taking one of those drugs increase your intelligence? Well, honestly, probably not; though several of them can improve work ethic or energy if used properly and many of the world's greatest minds were (infamously) users. Taking all of this into effect I come up with:

Shell Toxin - a neurotoxin with strange effects found in Shellder, Cloyster and Clamperl. Can only be produced in the wild or if the Pokemon is in the sea; can be injected or ingested (drank). Shellder, Cloyster and Clamperl themselves are immune to it's effects. A small dose can be made into a held item that when the Pokemon drinks will sharply raise Defense, Special Defense and Special Attack at the cost of causing Confusion and sharply lowering Speed. A larger dose can be used outside of battle as an anesthetic should surgery be necessary on a pokemon; for this reason Pokemon Centers readily buy supplies of it. If used by a human, it causes partial paralysis combined with hallucinations. Due to it's possible use as a narcotic, it's restricted to people with Doctor's Licenses and is considered a crime to collect without one.
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