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Suggestion: Shellder Poison
Topic Started: Jan 26 2011, 07:44 PM (627 Views)
Bcadren
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:shellder is mentioned by :slowbro and :slowking 's pokedex entries as producing a beneficial toxin, specifically:

Slowbro:
"Naturally dull to begin with, it lost its ability to feel pain due to Shellder's seeping poison."

Slowking:
"Every time it yawns, Shellder injects more poison into it. The poison makes it more intelligent."
"When its head was bitten, toxins entered Slowpoke's head and unlocked an extraordinary power."

So Shellder produces this poison that is very helpful in making pokemon smarter and ignorant to pain when injected. Could this be milked and used? Would it have an in-battle or out-of-battle use if injected into another pokemon? Should it be part of the production list? =D
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It's an interesting idea, but I doubt anyone would go for it. What kind of items were you thinking of?
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I'd be all for Shellder getting a special power of poison, so to speak.
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I agree with Roku, but how would it be milked? Shellder don't have teeth or anything like that... do they?
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I'm not really a major on Slowbro, or Shellder, but for it to 'Bite' on to Slowpokes tail to cause the evolution, one would have to assume it has teeth, to grip on like it does. Though, you definitely can't see them in the sprite, it'd be my guess that it does have teeth. Purely because I can't see it staying on Slowpokes tail any other way.
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"Bite" may be a bit of a misinterpretation. Maybe "clamp" is more accurate, since that's what shellfish do, and that's part of it's name.

The toxin could be part of that slime that shellfish are coated in. Or it could be a parasite that the Clampearl is immune to, but Slopoke isn't.
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The Shellder that latches onto Slowpoke's tail is said to feed on the host's leftover scraps.

Slowbro's tail has a Shellder firmly attached with a bite. As a result, the tail can't be used for fishing anymore. This causes Slowbro to grudgingly swim and catch prey instead.

When a Slowpoke went hunting in the sea, its tail was bitten by a Shellder. That made it evolve into Slowbro.

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The Slowpoke Shell version of the Shellder has obvious teeth.

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I'm going to say no. Why? The poison may only specifically work for Slowpoke. Let's face it, Slowpoke looks like no other Pokemon. It's closest relative could theoretically be Numel but that is a big stretch. Based on biological systems, some toxins can be beneficial to species, unaffect others, and kill even more. Slowpoke may just have the right genes to make it benefit from Shellder's bite on its tail. Who is to say if say an Arcanine was bit that it would live to tell the tale? While this may be a more scientific answer than is probably needed, just the word toxin brings up an unpleasantness that it could in fact kill a Pokemon (or at least drug them enough to cause serious side effects).
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Jan 26 2011, 09:24 PM
I'm going to say no. Why? The poison may only specifically work for Slowpoke. Let's face it, Slowpoke looks like no other Pokemon. It's closest relative could theoretically be Numel but that is a big stretch. Based on biological systems, some toxins can be beneficial to species, unaffect others, and kill even more. Slowpoke may just have the right genes to make it benefit from Shellder's bite on its tail. Who is to say if say an Arcanine was bit that it would live to tell the tale? While this may be a more scientific answer than is probably needed, just the word toxin brings up an unpleasantness that it could in fact kill a Pokemon (or at least drug them enough to cause serious side effects).
Yet we can assume that toxins effect most pokemon in exactly the same way, most of them being the same even through they came from millions of different sources. Poison from a snake bite not only has the same effect on all non-poison or steel pokemon, but it's effect is exactly the same as that of a jab from a poisoned claw and that is precisely the same as a bite from a bat or a dog, even stepping on toxic spikes seems to have exactly the same effect. You'd think if pokemon physiology was that alike the poison would effect most pokemon in the same way. The unique effect of raising intelligence on Slowking is something strange for a poison to do, but a poison that numbs, that's exactly what anesthesia does. What is Morphine? What is Atropine? Toxins that in too large amounts would be deadly, but in smaller amounts numb or put to sleep. The Slowbro effect is very similar. Since Poisonpowder, Poison Gas, Toxic and Poison Fang seem to have similar effects across almost all species, why would this toxin be that specific?
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They don't have the same effects though. Abilities come into play. As an example, the Cleffa line knows Magic Guard. This prevents damage from any indirect attack like Poison, Spikes, and burns. Possibly means that nothing internally can harm them at all those creepy space aliens. Does the toxin work on them? Would the toxin work on Poison-types or Steel-types considering their immunity? Or even Shellder and its evolution line for that matter? Does this actually affect Pokemon with the ability Immunity?

And since you brought up the overdosing point, you can theoretically overdose on any toxin, including this one. Who is to make this up along with dosage? Does purity come into play? For players with gigantic Pokemon, do you charge per dose or per ounce? Are we going to sell syringes to inject this in with? The entire thing seems convuluted and honestly somewhat useless unless sold to a medical lab or the research center.
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Clamping.. lol YOU'LL GET THE CLAMP! .. Uh, being bit or from being poked by the little thorns on it's body is what I'd say.
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Jan 26 2011, 10:00 PM
Who is to make this up along with dosage? Does purity come into play? For players with gigantic Pokemon, do you charge per dose or per ounce? Are we going to sell syringes to inject this in with? The entire thing seems convuluted and honestly somewhat useless unless sold to a medical lab or the research center.
How about this. It's a useless item on it's own, like wool or silk. With an inventor's license and/or a medical license, you may attempt to make a usuable item from it. Barring this, they can be traded at the pokemon center for money or items. As for dosage... :potion has the same effect on a :rattata as it does on a :snorlax >_> I think overcomplicating things is overcomplicating things. Personally I was seeing it as a raw material to make Posted Image or something similar. Again Posted Image has the same dosage on every pokemon. So let's say...with the medical license, you can make one sample into Posted Image or Posted Image. With both the medical license and the inventor's license you try to make a dangerous experimental drug, maybe something that raises all stats except speed, but lowers speed (like what happened to Slowbro), whatever. Glares at BERSERK GENE. And for the average person, they could...let's say trade 5 for choice of two:

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Something like that...now I'm not staff. Someone check my balancedness.
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Percentage wise in game, Potions do not work the same (compare a same level Chansey and Caterpie healing 20 HP, Caterpie is going to feel better than Chansey). And again, the X battle items only work the same here because of huge differences between the natural abilities of Pokemon and we don't want to calculate all the stats constantly. Even to make the X battle items, it seems to be completely unnecessary (more on then how did people make them before they thought of this). Even then, Slowbro is faster than Slowpoke so lowering speed with the crazy all powerful item doesn't hold.
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I think by that Bcad meant that a Caterpie and a Chansey receive the same amount of health regeneration from a Potion, Chansey is just a beast with HP is all.

I think the poison idea is worth talking about. We have the Inventor's License, Merchant's License, Medical Licenses etc. Isn't this what they are for? For trying out new ideas?

The poison doesn't seem to really do much except evolve a Slowbro...I don't actually know anything about the Shellder-Slowpoke thing so I can't give much reasoning into why it happens, but just that since it can happen it may have other effects, however Shellder has this poison but can't use poison type moves so maybe it isn't a poison for battle, rather survival. You'd have to think up something created to get the idea accepted.

BTW Rose: this was the best I could think up for something close to the Slowpoke line: :slowpoke :slakoth

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