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Spherus; Sprite by Tora. Info by Bcadren.
Topic Started: Oct 22 2010, 11:12 PM (635 Views)
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Digital Reproduction is going to be a no from me.
Virus...I'm gunna say no so all stuff related to it are a no as well.

Explain CyberPunk to me. I don't see why Electric should be super effective to Electric.
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Feb 2 2011, 08:47 PM
Is it supposed to be a Major or a Minor Status? If Major it doesn't end after battle making it pretty broken. And it be better if you also had an Item to cure it instead of adding an uncureable disease into the RP.

Its a no to the bypass Resistance from me for the second attack. If it were an ability, ok, but Not part of the attack. Only a handful of attacks can bypass resistance and they are ... Basically Set Damage or counter attacks. Also don't like the Porygon addition. Attacks won't effect specific Pokemon more than others.

Don't really like Electric Parasite either.

Right now, its a no from me.

Digital Reproduction: That's always been there, first time you mentioned it. What's wrong with it, lack of numbers, needs balancing, what? It's a reference to how computer viruses replicate; not meant to be useful or overpowered; actually, an earlier wording would have had it force you to always get a Lv. 1 one instead of ever catching a wild adult.

Virus: Snow; I change the effect; made the new items and all this nice clarification because you asked me to earlier; I did all this and now, not even saying what I did wrong; just no? What do you want from me?

I got rid of it's last ability because you said no without giving any reason. Electric parasite. It drained electric type's energy slowly, comparable to Pressure, but regaining it's own energy in the process.

CyberPunk was added because you didn't like Bit Siphon specifically doing better to Porygon and electric types, a reference to it stealing Porygon's information and absorbing electricity respectively. It's the same reference, though I cut out the specific Porygon shout-out and not it applies to all electric attacks. Though in case of any electric attack used by it; it's a reference to a trojan's ability to undermined all the defenses and get straight through electronic devices. Anyways, your previous statements quoted above practically approved me doing such.
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Unless I actually say I approve of something, then I do not approve it.

For the Attack moving to an ability. I said there was no way to bypass resistance unless it was set damage. You go from resistance bypass to adding a Weakness that doesn't make sense. Why should an electric type be weak to an Electric attack when normally they resist electric attacks? You did not answer that question. You don't really mention anything about Porygon other than you trying to compare Spherus to it. Your's is actually more digital than Porygon cause all Porygon can to is hack into electronics other than Pokeballs.

I didn't say no to Electric Parasite either. I said I didn't like it. I said no to the over all Fakemon because there were too many things that I didn't like about it.

As for Digital Reproduction. Its horrible. It either breeds or it doesn't. Unless it can infect a Pokemon that Can Breed like Artedemic can or is a freak accident like Flegg. The breeding method you have is horribly easy to break and bypasses the Egg moment of its life.

As for Virus. I didn't like the original concept, don't really like the new one either. Its a Simple no to a major addition like that.
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Let me ask then.

Would switching it to a resistance bypass on electric pokemon, with somewhat of a similar wording to:

"Dominion -- Dark type attacks by the holder will always do Super Effective damage or higher against Ghost and Psychic types, regardless of second type, abilities, or move effects."

"CyberPunk -- Electric type attacks by the holder will always do Normal damage or higher against other Electric types, ignoring the resistance, regardless of second type, abilities, or move effects."

Digital Reproduction is NOT breeding; it's copying. From Porygon's info:

Porygon is capable of reverting itself entirely back to program data and entering cyberspace. This Pokémon is copy-protected so it cannot be duplicated by copying.

The Pokémon literally makes a new copy of the virus (itself) inside of a machine; but the new copy starts off relatively powerless as the virus has to gather and gain power from other software to grow into the form ready for the physical world. It's definitely how they reproduce in the wild; and a previous version was written in such a way that it explained that the Pokémon wasn't catchable, because whenever you got close to catching it, you'd get a Lv. 1 copy instead. If it for some reason NEEDS an egg stage for whatever unforeseeable purpose...urgh...I'm not sure what to do, because I can't leave them unable to reproduce at all and I did that to make it make more sense as a virus. Could make it so they reproduce by fission, if you'd prefer...you know, a level 80 could divide into two level 40's; or 4 level 20's; or 8 level 10's; or 16 level 5's; always powers of two; if below level 10 can't split...

At Virus; if you're denying it because of the amount that would need changed...uhh...erm...same effect, but a minor status; eliminating the items? Or maybe...same as a move effect? Or...change it a bit and make it a dark (or electric) leech seed?
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On my 3DS right now so I'll keep this short. Reproduction = breeding. Making a level 1 copy = breeding. The answer is no to digital breeding. Porygon can not do it so do not try to justify it with porygon.

Yes if you worded it closer to Dominion's effect that can work.

For virus...at this point you have a better chance at approval with out it.
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Sep 14 2011, 08:09 AM
On my 3DS right now so I'll keep this short. Reproduction = breeding. Making a level 1 copy = breeding. The answer is no to digital breeding. Porygon can not do it so do not try to justify it with porygon.

Yes if you worded it closer to Dominion's effect that can work.

For virus...at this point you have a better chance at approval with out it.
1. Alright; I'm going to do something just plain weird; addition should be up with in the hour and you can tell me what you think of it.

2. Done.

3. Because I put so much into virus at this point; I'm keeping it until such a time as another Umod+ denies it. Also, if you're thing against Virus is that it's too much for just one pokemon; I kinda have plans to use it on 7 more, at least; and anyone is welcome to use it. I'd actually made a TM that had a 30% chance of causing it if member-made TM's were allowed. >_> just saying.
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Well, I originally said that I wasn't going to comment on anything in Fakemon until the system comes back online... but the hell with it...

Weight: The history says it's made of a bunch of glass orbs filled with electrical data, so WHY does it weigh over 100 lbs, exactly?

Ability: Cyber Punk - If you're going for an Electric version of Dominion here, the 'second type' clause would allow electric/ground types to still take damage, but then you retract and say that ground types still aren't effected... there's a bit of a contridiction here, yes?

Special Ability:
Digital Form - Porygon's already got an ability identical to this, it's called Software. Looking through the history though, it seems like this Pokemon is more a combination of Rotom's ability to enter electronics and Porygon's ability to enter networks. May want to specify this. Also, the history refers to it being 'impervious to attack' while inside electronics, both Rotom and Porygon lose battling abilities while posessing electrical equipment, Rotom's only exception being it's specially made machines; This fake would need to be put to the same restrictions.
Digital Reproduction - I wouldn't classify this as a Special Power... it's more like Cestar's breeding clause with the need for an item. I'd say give it the Indeterminate egg group, with a note attatched outlining the breeding restrictions.

History: I'm not very fond of the whole 'made of glass' deal. You say it's the consistency of stone, but glass is still glass. When the Pokemon will mostlikely be involved in battles, I can see this thing 'breaking' alot.. That, and it would leave the glass spheres empty when it leaves the to travel into machines, wouldn't it? Coming out of them, it wouldn't be able to just magically spawn more glass to jump into, and I REALLY can't see it 'growing' more glass with Body Regeneration. Porygon isn't actually encased in anything, it can just turn it's physical body into data to enter computers. Maybe you could do something similiar to this? The part about killing the Porygon in the beginning also doesn't sit right with me.. How about saying it's a corrupted attempt at stealing the porygon, more close to a distorted clone?

Moveset: The only real oddity I'm noticing is Will-o-wisp in the TMs, I can't really see this thing using a fire attack outside Sunny Day.

Custom Moves: No real issues with Bit Syphon/Data Drain... Corrupt... and Virus... while the effect of it isn't bad, and the items to deal with it are decent.... The concept of infecting pokemon pretty much with a computer virus seems a bit.. odd to me. I can't say I like it that all that much.

Custom Item: FIRST PROBLEM, yeah, the item sprite needs to be 24x24 in total size, you'll need to redo that. To use the teams or any guilds/things like that, you'll need the permission of the one that runs it first, so you'd need Snow's permission to use Scion for the Virus item, and you'd need my permission for the egg being made by Darkfire, which Scion would proobably be better making anyway. They're more research & development orientated. You also say the egg is reusable, but then say that something on it breaks when the egg is ready to hatch. I'm thinking it'd need to be repaired to be used again, how would you acomplish this?

Not saying whether I approve or disprove of it just yet.
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I was going to post before... but work called.

Like Sora said... why is it so heavy? Glass Orbs or not... it doesn't have that vibe.

Before I waste time going on... I wanted to really say that you might have better luck with your ideas on a different forum. No, I'm not trying to say GTFO and leave Alternia. But your ideas get shot down countless times. You try putting in too much. The abilities, no need. Half the attacks you try for your fakes... they don't need to be there. One every now and then is good. Maybe.


Right now... This is going to be an automatic no from me whenever, if it does, goes somewhere.

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Sep 14 2011, 04:33 PM
Well, I originally said that I wasn't going to comment on anything in Fakemon until the system comes back online... but the hell with it...

Weight: The history says it's made of a bunch of glass orbs filled with electrical data, so WHY does it weigh over 100 lbs, exactly?

Ability: Cyber Punk - If you're going for an Electric version of Dominion here, the 'second type' clause would allow electric/ground types to still take damage, but then you retract and say that ground types still aren't effected... there's a bit of a contridiction here, yes?

Special Ability:
Digital Form - Porygon's already got an ability identical to this, it's called Software. Looking through the history though, it seems like this Pokemon is more a combination of Rotom's ability to enter electronics and Porygon's ability to enter networks. May want to specify this. Also, the history refers to it being 'impervious to attack' while inside electronics, both Rotom and Porygon lose battling abilities while posessing electrical equipment, Rotom's only exception being it's specially made machines; This fake would need to be put to the same restrictions.
Digital Reproduction - I wouldn't classify this as a Special Power... it's more like Cestar's breeding clause with the need for an item. I'd say give it the Indeterminate egg group, with a note attatched outlining the breeding restrictions.

History: I'm not very fond of the whole 'made of glass' deal. You say it's the consistency of stone, but glass is still glass. When the Pokemon will mostlikely be involved in battles, I can see this thing 'breaking' alot.. That, and it would leave the glass spheres empty when it leaves the to travel into machines, wouldn't it? Coming out of them, it wouldn't be able to just magically spawn more glass to jump into, and I REALLY can't see it 'growing' more glass with Body Regeneration. Porygon isn't actually encased in anything, it can just turn it's physical body into data to enter computers. Maybe you could do something similiar to this? The part about killing the Porygon in the beginning also doesn't sit right with me.. How about saying it's a corrupted attempt at stealing the porygon, more close to a distorted clone?

Moveset: The only real oddity I'm noticing is Will-o-wisp in the TMs, I can't really see this thing using a fire attack outside Sunny Day.

Custom Moves: No real issues with Bit Syphon/Data Drain... Corrupt... and Virus... while the effect of it isn't bad, and the items to deal with it are decent.... The concept of infecting pokemon pretty much with a computer virus seems a bit.. odd to me. I can't say I like it that all that much.

Custom Item: FIRST PROBLEM, yeah, the item sprite needs to be 24x24 in total size, you'll need to redo that. To use the teams or any guilds/things like that, you'll need the permission of the one that runs it first, so you'd need Snow's permission to use Scion for the Virus item, and you'd need my permission for the egg being made by Darkfire, which Scion would proobably be better making anyway. They're more research & development orientated. You also say the egg is reusable, but then say that something on it breaks when the egg is ready to hatch. I'm thinking it'd need to be repaired to be used again, how would you acomplish this?

Not saying whether I approve or disprove of it just yet.
First off, thanks for the thoroughness.

Weight: played with this A LOT; it's kind of arbitrarily set because I had no idea; a solid 3 foot in diameter ball of glass would be heavy, but I'm not sure HOW heavy and it'd be close to that as currently written. Also Porygon is oddly heavy for it's size and this pokemon is meant to be a rival to that line.

CyberPunk: Originally, specifically bypassing resistance was part of the move Data Drain, Snow didn't like it being part of a move to bypass resistance so I moved it to ability. It was then originally a reversal only for :electric -> :electric Switching that to super-effective with all other effects normal. Ended up going closer to the accepted Dominion, but I put the contradiction down, specifically because I don't like bypassing a full immunity, even if it is just Stunfish.

Digital Form - Impervious to attack; I basically meant that as it's hiding inside something; attacking the machine it's in won't hurt it. Honestly it should be some of both of those, though it's not about to possess an object and use it to attack, it might do something playful with one (or a set of them) putting one in a highway control computer would be a fast way to get all the lights acting up in a city, for example.

Digital Reproduction - I think I'm fine with that at this point. (This used to be it used ANY electrical device as an egg and could reproduce by producing weaker clone in a device; though I have no idea how to balance the original.)

History - The spheres of data was something I came up with early. The glass part was specifically because of it needing a weakness on a site that used stats. It had high speed/special attack average attack/special defense and abysmal defense. The spheres being glass was originally for that reason. The original concept before that though was based off of data in ball lightning. Could change to electrified bubbles of toxic gas, each being a different bit. "Killing" in pokemon has been mentioned in pokedex and lore before; at the same time though, the "corrupted copy" makes it more akin to Porygon -Z it's would be rival; so I like it.

Moveset: Will-o-wisp can go away no problem. I also feel like I need to re-edit the level-up to match what it used to match again; it's mutated too much. [it used to learn several moves at the same level as Porygon and have it's entire moveset level match and that's -off now]

Moves: Thanks for the support on the items/effect. Honestly, a computer virus causing this is an intentional overgeneralization; like how so many different poisons have the same effect; even a computer virus has the same effect as an earthly one. I wouldn't have came up with that much if it was -just- for this pokemon though. There are a few more chains in the works that use it. It's also why I asked if a user-made TM was allowed, not for Corrupt; for a move with a 30% chance of causing it.

Items: 24x24 is fine; I'll use the egg's menu sprite; keep the big version though, as it'll show up instead of the standard egg sprite when the pokemon is in it's egg being carried. I said the only part that breaks is the yellow/black area around the center; which is just a thin shell instead of electric parts like the rest. Could be repaired simply by putting a couple new layers of yellow/black caution tape on it.
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Finished the round of updates (and reversions) mentioned in last post.
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