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| Topic Started: Nov 7 2008, 10:52 PM (150 Views) | |
| Peru | Nov 7 2008, 10:52 PM Post #1 |
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(OOC: NOTE, this is ment to bolster the amount of activity, by making an extensive meeting for more EU expansion at a quicker rate, we have to do SOMETHING)
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| Denmark | Nov 7 2008, 11:17 PM Post #2 |
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OOC: Everyone is attending unless stated otherwise. |
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| Peru | Nov 7 2008, 11:32 PM Post #3 |
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Thank you IC: "We thank you all for attending. As we all know, European integration, cooperation, security, and unity are at the core of EU policy and the entire reason we have this. I believe it is in EVERYBODY's interest for greater cooperation. For starters, I propose that the 2008 EU summit, all Microstates are formally EU members if they agree to it. Does anybody object to this?" |
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| Denmark | Nov 7 2008, 11:40 PM Post #4 |
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OOC: I'm sure it is up to the 'microstates' to decide before we take any steps. You cannot just make a decision and ask if anybody objects. You must consult and talk with these states. You cannot just say they are members unless they object. AND, why aren't all EU members invited? ALSO, when you say at the EU summit, do you mean this IS the summit, or the microstates will be part of the EU by the time of the summit? Edited by Denmark, Nov 7 2008, 11:42 PM.
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| Peru | Nov 8 2008, 12:03 AM Post #5 |
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OOC: Well, first I'd like to get approval of Western Europe, territory that actually HAS microstates unlike eastern europe before proceeding. This is a pre-EU meeting, and Eastern Europe doesn't have much to do with this, I invited places like Denmark and the UK for the sake of activity, despite not having much to do with microstates, and I plan on giving them the option for full membership and an invitation to the EU summit should we agree. |
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| Denmark | Nov 8 2008, 12:53 PM Post #6 |
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OOC: OK, got it. IC: "European unity is of course something we strive towards. Currently, the ruling parties in San Marino and Andorra oppose membership, although the oppositon parties are in favour. I suggest we invite these nations now, and then after their next elections. Liechtenstein will only join the EU if Switzerland joins, and that is unlikely in the near future. Monaco however is more likely. They currently have joined many EU insitutions, and the Council of Europe. We should extend an invitation to them definitely. The Vatican is unable to join the EU, because it isn't a democracy." |
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| Netherlands | Nov 8 2008, 02:32 PM Post #7 |
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"France is head of state of Andorra so you will have a great influence on them(and Monaco) so they will join. I also think San Marino will join and the Pope is chosed in a some sort of democratic way(people did vite for him and he had the most votes). And there is nobody that has only the Vatican nationality(always dubble one) so it is not a very big problem." |
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| Denmark | Nov 8 2008, 02:38 PM Post #8 |
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"Mr. Sarkozy may be in a position of power in Andorra, but the democratically elected government - holding all the REAL power - do not wish to join the EU, as I have previously said. We must wait until the opposition party (currently in favour of the EU) is elected before we invite them. The same goes for San Marino. Monaco however is more likely to join. The Vatican City is a complete no, it is a theocracy, not a democracy." |
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| Peru | Nov 8 2008, 05:03 PM Post #9 |
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"We risk insulting the Vatican, the Pope, and to an extent, Catholics worldwide by not inviting Vatican City. While it technically is a theocracy, it is also a religious state, and has a limited democracy. Vatican City has dual-citizen with citizenship in many EU states, so to me, it seems foolish to not invite Vatican City, regardless. I believe it would be a good idea to invite Monaco to join the EU, and we shall hold off on San Marino and Andorra for now. Meanwhile, we must also look to expand membership in the EU to states that have not joined the EU as of now. Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland all come to mind. Iceland and Norway have expressed their desire to not join the EU right away for commercial reasons, meanwhile, Switzerland is not likely to join soon, believing it to not be a neutral organization. Any thoughts on this? Meanwhile, we must also focus on eastern expansion. Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Macedonia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, and although not likely at the moment, possibly even Israel, need to have some progress shown pm their EU admission. What do you propose we do? We need all input on their admission to the EU."
Edited by Peru, Nov 8 2008, 05:03 PM.
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| Denmark | Nov 8 2008, 05:53 PM Post #10 |
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"We cannot invite the Vatican, as it is against EU regulations. Aswell as this, they do not want to join the EU, and they do not need it. Iceland and Norway are likely candidates in the near future. Norway's populace are however against joining at this time, and their Prime Minister has said he will not try and join the Union while he remains in office. We must sort out our fisheries policy if Iceland is ever to join. Switzerland (and by extension Liechtenstein) are unlikely to join the EU at this time, yes. We should wait for them to hold some sort of referendum on membership, or any kind of public and governmental support from both nations. Eastern Europe is bound to join at some point. Most countries want it, and most need it. Croatia will almost definitely be a member by 2011, and it is very difficult to fast-track that at this point. FYROM could become a member by 2014, possibly earlier if it works hard to develop and the naming dispute with Greece is resolved. Albania has recently applied to join, so we should work on making them candidates by 2009, and a member by 2016. Montenegro, Serbia and Bosnia could be admitted by 2018 if they apply to join in 2010. Kosovo will want to join, but they have not done anything to do so yet. We should talk with Kosovo if we wish to enlarge the Union to them. You bring up Turkey, which surprises me greatly, as you, Mr. Sarkozy, have been the biggest supporter of NOT letting Turkey in! But most other nations are in support. If you are changing your mind, we should consider continuing membership negotiations to allow Turkey to enter perhaps by 2015. Moldova is looking likely. They could perhaps apply to join by 2012, especially now since Romania is a member. Belarus is incredibly unlikely, as they are looking to form a union with Russia in the next few years. Georgia is a definite yes, at least once the South Ossetia and Abkhazia issues are resolved. They may apply by 2010-12 aswell. Armenia could definitely join also, although perhaps much later than Georgia. Azerbaijan is less likely, although support for joining would increase with Turkey's possible accession. Ukraine is currently split over whether to join, so we should wait until there is a clear majority wanting to join before we make a move there. TL;DR: Overall, our best bet is in the Balkans." |
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| Peru | Nov 8 2008, 06:10 PM Post #11 |
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"Of course. Well, Turks are everywhere in the EU and enraging them will do much more harm than good, by not allowing Turkey to join the EU. While I personally do not like it, I must seek to keep Europe as a whole stable, and enraging the EU's largest minority is not very smart. As for the Vatican, we shall seek to make an amendment on the EU law later, to make an exception for the Vatican specifically. They are in no way repressing anybody, disregarding human rights, and their population, after priests, the popes, and the cardinals, is made up of guards who are there by tradition, and as such, given Vatican citizenship. FYROM, I believe, is going to join by 2012 if the name dispute is solved. I agree strongly with your optomistic view of the future EU. I believe we should extend candidate status, in our agendas, but not publicly, to Norway, Iceland, and Switzerland, as they are obviously qualified and would join within a year should they embark on membership. I believe we should extend potential candidate status universally to all Caucasus and Balkan nations, and extend potential candidate status to Ukraine and Moldova, it will show a positive step forward and maybe help persuade their populations. Maybe we should even encourage Moldova to union with Romania. Meanwhile, what are your opinions on Israel? I notice you have not mentioned them." |
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| Denmark | Nov 8 2008, 06:25 PM Post #12 |
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"Israel is a touchy subject. They are not European, but being a Jewish nation, are irrevocably tied in with Europe. I would support Israeli membership once the Palestinian issue is resolved. As for potential candidate status, I think it is unwise to extend it to so many nations all at once. It is already assigned to the whole Balkans and extending it to Ukraine isn't a good idea with such a large pro-Russian population. You may say the same about Serbia, but Serbia has a pro-EU government at the moment. I suggest we extend potential candidacy to Georgia for the time being. Moldova uniting with Romania would make sense, but whether the populace wants it is another question. Also, Transnistria - a Russian populated breakaway region of Moldova - is a problem that must be addressed before any such union. We should enter talks with Georgia and Moldova to discuss possible future EU membership, to show we are thinking of them." |
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| Denmark | Nov 8 2008, 06:28 PM Post #13 |
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OOC: Renamed and moved topic because it's more relevant in this forum. |
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| Peru | Nov 8 2008, 06:39 PM Post #14 |
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"Well, the breakup of the Soviet Union meant that many regions of the former Soviet Union have large Russian minorities, Kazakhstan being a shining example. What do you propose we do?[SSIC: I propose we help Ukraine fund a program for the transfer of ethnic Russians who wish to go back to Russia from the former Soviet states and to fund a program to transfer ethnic Ukranians and Tatars back to Ukraine, for example Crimea, an area where ethnic Tatars are from, has been Russo-fied and now want to secede to Russia, despite them having recently moved there, which is outrageous. I also propose helping Moldova fund a similar program]We also agree with your views of Israeli membership, for now, they shall have to wait until Palestinian and Arab peace are achieved in the area. I recommend we extend potential candidate status to Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan at the moment. However, it may seem a better idea to extend it to GUAM as a whole, not listing any specific nations, and Armenia. This way, it does not seem as though we are looking for Ukraine specifically." |
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| Denmark | Nov 8 2008, 07:06 PM Post #15 |
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"Well we aren't looking for Ukraine specifically. I do not completely agree with your deportation plans, but if you wish to do it, that is your lookout. I agree with extending potential candidacy to Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine and Moldova, but not Azerbaijan, as they do not wish to join the EU at this time." |
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| Montenegro | Nov 8 2008, 07:48 PM Post #16 |
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OOC: Monaco and Vatican City simply cannot, and do not, want to join. They are not full democracies. You need to bring through the signing and ratification of the Lisbon treaty, because at the moment, the number of members has reached the limit, so the EU can't expand. And you are proposing to ethnically cleanse Ukraine?! |
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| Peru | Nov 8 2008, 07:55 PM Post #17 |
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OOC: It's SSIC, so no one has heard this outside me and Denmark(SO PUT IT IN SSIC), it's to help make Ukraine pro-EU, by moving Russians that WANT TO move back to Russia into Russia and to send the Tatars who want to go to Ukraine back to Ukraine. It's not forced migration, you know. We'd help the Ukrainians in Russia, but Russia would learn about it and it would be a real diplomatic mess...... IC: "Azerbaijan is currently keeping quiet on the idea of EU membership, for fear of being revoked, as it currently sees Turkey joining the EU as step 1 to give it proof that it can join, I believe." Edited by Peru, Nov 8 2008, 07:56 PM.
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| Montenegro | Nov 8 2008, 07:59 PM Post #18 |
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OOC: And I said it OOC. |
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| Peru | Nov 8 2008, 08:04 PM Post #19 |
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OOC: I'm talking about Denmark publicly saying I have plans to deport Russians. 
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| Denmark | Nov 8 2008, 08:34 PM Post #20 |
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OOC: So that's no microstates joining the EU. Nevermind France. Let's concentrate on the Balkans and Georgia.
Edited by Denmark, Nov 8 2008, 08:36 PM.
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