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| 1st SCH 111 AB's in the U.K. | |
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| Topic Started: 05/11/2009 - 10:54 am (121 Views) | |
| j1985 | 05/11/2009 - 10:54 am Post #1 |
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Just wondering (as I'm not really that involved in the SBT scene) if anyone is doing SCH or anything similar with staffy's, and if so is there any success storys like this one ? Edited by ghostlyease, 07/11/2009 - 09:32 am.
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| j1985 | 07/11/2009 - 12:42 am Post #2 |
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Take it then that know one is working staffy's then ? |
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| southsidestaffords | 07/11/2009 - 08:48 am Post #3 |
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The link that you have put up is a log in page to a bull dog fourm so with out joining you cant see what you are on about!!! |
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| ghostlyease | 07/11/2009 - 09:33 am Post #4 |
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Link taken out as you have to sign into the forum to have access, if you give us the full information here then perhaps we could comment. |
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| ghostlyease | 07/11/2009 - 09:42 am Post #5 |
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Working? depends what you call work I suppose. For those that have no idea what SCH stands for here is a good definition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzhund |
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| j1985 | 07/11/2009 - 03:15 pm Post #6 |
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Is anyone doing Schutzund with staffordshire bull terriers ? Is that better lol |
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| 12 gauge | 07/11/2009 - 05:17 pm Post #7 |
 
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not the greatest sport to teach staffords, civil drive and bull breeds don't mix in my opinion. Obedience yes, but not bite work. |
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| southsidestaffords | 07/11/2009 - 06:10 pm Post #8 |
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Staffords have a bad enough time as it is without promoting and prompting these dogs to bite . I dont think that it would look too good to 'Joe Public'. To me it just seems to make them look too aggressive. But...we have been approached by someone who would like to come and do a demonstration. This will be held at our next field day. (14th Nov).....also think they might be doing some scent work. |
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| Shipley,Staffords | 07/11/2009 - 06:34 pm Post #9 |
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Gotta agree bud,after years of dissolving human aggression in Staffords i for one would not encourage my dogs too change ! However, i do not know enough about the training aspect off this activity too knock it,so i am looking forward to the demostration ! ^o) ;) |
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| j1985 | 07/11/2009 - 07:50 pm Post #10 |
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A dog doesn't have to be man aggressive to do Schutzund. |
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| Shipley,Staffords | 07/11/2009 - 08:07 pm Post #11 |
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As i said J,i don't know enough about it to judge it,hence looking forward to the demo from some top class dog men ! Do you participate yourself , with your dog obviously ? lol lol |
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| j1985 | 07/11/2009 - 09:07 pm Post #12 |
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lol Yeh I'm looking forward to it too mate. I've been looking into Schutzund for Kimba for a while now but don't really have the time at the moment to take it as serious as I'd like to. |
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| ghostlyease | 07/11/2009 - 09:12 pm Post #13 |
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Seeing as you asked so nicely.......... :ermm: I do see the Stafford as being an all purpose dog and I do think they could be trained to do anything including Schutzund work, there are parts of Schutzund work that are about controlled aggression, I dont believe that part of the training would benefit Bullbreeds in any way shape or form. Agility & obedience would be better pursued by Bullbreeds to up their public profile. If I wanted to do Schutzund I would not have chosen a SBT as my breed of choice, I chose them especially because of their known reliability and friendliness towards people, training against a natural instinct is I feel asking for trouble. I wanted an athletic, reliable companion, I choose SBT's, I wanted a hunting dog I got Lakeland, I wanted an athletic not overly aggressive guard dog and got a Mastiff cross, research and help focus a dogs natural instincts to keep them happy in mind and body. |
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| j1985 | 07/11/2009 - 09:41 pm Post #14 |
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Any breed of dog can be trained for Schutzund http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTN5kTkdvME |
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| southsidestaffords | 07/11/2009 - 10:56 pm Post #15 |
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Yes but in reality i don't think that would make a blind bit of difference if that went for you a size ten up its arse would see it off. An old saying is horses for coures . Edited by southsidestaffords, 08/11/2009 - 08:44 am.
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| j1985 | 08/11/2009 - 12:31 am Post #16 |
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Obviously that dog is never going to be a manstopper lol It just goes to show that any breed can do any work. It's not like that dog is ever going to be used for man work but probably over 75% of dogs doing Sch or similar sports aren't either. It's just a sport, A sport that involves a shitload of a lot of work from dog and handler and for a bullbreed to get a sch 111 which is the top level is great. |
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| ghostlyease | 08/11/2009 - 07:48 am Post #17 |
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I agree :yes: But should all is another question. ^o) |
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| ghostlyease | 08/11/2009 - 08:00 am Post #18 |
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I think your also right here in saying most dogs being trained for that type of work will not use it in any way, although id say the high majority of dogs that take part in this type of sport are of certain breeding that is predisposed to it, I dont take anything away from any dog that has gained a title, good on them and the owner that has taken the time to train that dog but I still maintain that Staffords have been bred for many years to be reliable and trustworthy with all humans, to teach systematically against that is not what id choose to do, even controlled aggression. It is a very small part of the training I am aware but the bit most people seem to be interested in and seem to be impressed by, personally id be much more impressed with a dog that can full fill the other criteria. If I was going to do Schutzund work competitively id choose a breed that is bred for such or similar work. |
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| j1985 | 08/11/2009 - 09:47 am Post #19 |
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To be honest I'd be more impressed with a bullbreed with the sch111 tracking and obedience levels lol...It's not hard to get a bully to bite a sleeve but getting ones full attention is another matter. The American Bulldogs that got this title are from a long line of titled schutzund dogs so in a way they are bred for this type of work. |
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