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| Topic Started: 20/10/2009 - 06:34 pm (436 Views) | |
| 12 gauge | 20/10/2009 - 06:34 pm Post #1 |
 
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Didn't want to ruin Mitch's post but it seems as time goes by there are more and more throwback staffords from KC show dogs like his dog Jehst, I wonder what people are going to do now to keep their dogs within standard as no matter how small the dogs being bred they keep on throwing bigger and taller dogs. I do prefer taller and more balance dogs. Just thought i share i may be way off or wrong again
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| Mitch | 20/10/2009 - 09:59 pm Post #2 |
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You wouldn't have ruined my post, I often wonder the same thing my self, with the show side of things, I have always had big dogs wasn't until a year or so back that I started to look at KC Stafford's, more so cos I wanted a dog I new the police wouldn't try to take of me for being pitbull type, I am over the moon with Jehst's stature its like a god send, there's a guy near me with two show staffs both 14" and wider then my two... I havnt said anything to him (he dosnt really acknowledge me we had a conversation once I asumed he didnt like my dogs because they were blue??) but in all honesty I dont like them, they always seem to be panting, like there out of breath ?? from what ive read and looked at via the Internet or in books I think it was only 20 odd years ago the KC changed the height from 16 - 18" to 14 - 16" and some of the pics ive goy of Jehst ancestors look quite tall. Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Im not sure but I dont think any of these are under 16 " |
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| Maistaff | 21/10/2009 - 03:33 pm Post #3 |
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Both my KC dogs are over 16 inches in height. They dwarf many Staffords i see in my area. Indi is just over at 16.5. Yes he has a Buly type head but he has a muzle that is in proportion so has no breathing issues Posted Image Posted Image Dylan is 17 inches Posted Image Posted Image |
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| Mitch | 21/10/2009 - 06:09 pm Post #4 |
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Indi is a lovely looking lad. |
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| Maistaff | 21/10/2009 - 07:09 pm Post #5 |
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Thank you |
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| ghostlyease | 22/10/2009 - 11:23 am Post #6 |
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If the size wasnt in there then it couldnt be thrown but they will always get bigger than standard as the standard used to be more than it is today. The thing about any "standard" is that it is just a guide line, all breeds of dog should be easily identifiable as what they are, in Staffords I dont believe it matters if they are 15 or 21 inches, as long as they havnt lost breed type and are in proportion with no exaggerations. |
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| Blondiflops | 22/10/2009 - 01:00 pm Post #7 |
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ive also a KC dog standing 17 inches....I prefer them with abit of leg.... |
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| capleton | 22/10/2009 - 02:28 pm Post #8 |
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Its like many other things in life.......................................going full circle, bigger staffords are gonna be the norm soon. |
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| 12 gauge | 22/10/2009 - 02:30 pm Post #9 |
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the problem is that many, many take the standard literally and dont understand or dont wanna, and for them any dog outside it is a cull, not a stafford or pet candidate as its not "within", I respect people choices, what i dont buy is the generalization part that's been created |
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| csteed | 22/10/2009 - 07:45 pm Post #10 |
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Ive also got two KC staffs one is 18 inches and the other is 19 and ahalf inches, to be honest i like the longer legged staffs as there abit more athletic? |
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| Pat | 22/10/2009 - 08:50 pm Post #11 |
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Well said Keeley |
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| ghostlyease | 03/11/2009 - 01:45 pm Post #12 |
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Im afraid I cant agree with that statement, I believe good breeding from proven athletic stock, in the right hands with the right feeding and training are just as likely to be good performing athletes, in fact id go further and say this type of breeding is more likely to produce good athletic specimens than 2 average leggy types just bred to have a litter or to make a couple of quid. |
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| csteed | 08/11/2009 - 09:24 am Post #13 |
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Just looked in the ACES results and as a rule of thumb the overs seem to get abit better times as the unders, and also seem to do abit better on the Aframe and the long jump ect, not only just on these ACES events but on other dog days to yet it be in this country or over sea's. |
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| j1985 | 08/11/2009 - 01:04 pm Post #14 |
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I reckon a Overs Vs Unders Group race to settle it lol |
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| ghostlyease | 08/11/2009 - 06:02 pm Post #15 |
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Personally id say length is a better indication than height........... Thats a whole other debate on construction!!!! but my point was (as you seem to have missed it) is that a dog bred to be athletic is more likely to be so. Obv after that height and length have a bearing hence the seperate classes. |
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| Maistaff | 08/11/2009 - 06:06 pm Post #16 |
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totally agree with your point in breeding. You just got to look in any Stafford show ring and the half the dogs couldn'tt walk the length of themselves without casuing breathing issues due to the way they are bred to be short muzzled and "big" all over! Good blood lines is they key to all good working stick regardless of the breed |
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| csteed | 08/11/2009 - 10:52 pm Post #17 |
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I agree with you, good blood line is always the way. But long legs is where staffs started and is where they stould be now, im not taking it away from shorter staffs because im not, if there short long fat or skinny i love them for there drive for there owners.And ive never seen not one staff with long legs that has a short muzzle and cant breeth properly, that would be like having a british bull dog with long legs, its not gonna happen and if it does the breeder would be a c##t. This topic has gone way of from what 12 gauge said in the first post. The last ACES day is next week we shall see in size what dogs are more athletic, my money is on overs but that is only my opinion |
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| Sam and Tanya | 10/11/2009 - 07:18 pm Post #18 |
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Hi all, our Karma is KC reg, and before we started ACES i use to do open shows with him, to which i was told they dont like the Blues!!!!!! can someone tell me why that is????? please, I was told he meets the so called standard, ( He is 17 1\2 ins) so whats the matter with the colour Blue??????????????? |
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| southsidestaffords | 10/11/2009 - 07:32 pm Post #19 |
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Blue dogs normally have a blue nose light toe nails and light eyes witch do not meet the standard. Hope this helps. |
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| Mitch | 10/11/2009 - 08:19 pm Post #20 |
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I was told that the colour Blue is a recessive gene from black to black breeding's and apparently this is detrimental to the breed as they can contain certain fault lines such as blue nose etc etc.. also breeders tend to breed blue to blue regardless of type and or temperament (dare I say it mainly for money) In europe they are not so fussy and blue dogs do extremely well in the show ring, there is a dog Valglo Singing the Blues that I believe is the first dog to have won a show in England perhaps its because its a Valglo dog ?????? backhanders come to mind lol |
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| 12 gauge | 10/11/2009 - 08:34 pm Post #21 |
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i wander if the blue nose doesnt breath as good as a black one, and if the light eyes dont see as good as the dark ones. for the toenails give your blue dog a manicure and pedicure and you'll be good to go for the showring. how pathetic can this be |
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| Mitch | 10/11/2009 - 08:51 pm Post #22 |
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:D I reckon the pedicure thing could catch on over here lol |
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| ghostlyease | 10/11/2009 - 09:33 pm Post #23 |
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OK, id like to clear up something here, the KC are not ANTI blue! shows are not ANTI blue, blue dogs often do not conform to KC standards because colour pigmentation is bad due to the same recessive gene that causes the blue coat colour causes light pigment, occasionally a blue dog or bitch will turn up from dogs of colour and it is these dogs that tend to have good pigmentation, any breeder breeding specifically for colour is not thinking primarily of health or confirmation, if they were blue to blue would not be bred, I have a shed load of info with real long words in that goes right over my head but in basic terms the same recessive gene that causes the pigment colour blue also causes bad tummies, teeth and skin, obviously mother nature isnt constant and not all blues have problems, just a high majority, also the other problem is that because blue is recessive to guarantee blue pups you have to breed blue to blue, a very, very small gene pool has occurred because of the high price blue pups were selling for, so genetic hic ups turn up time and again, crank tails, hair lip, cleft plate, again not always but the risks are high. The whole blue debate is something else............. I suppose there are horses for courses and the KC show dog is one type that wouldnt suit many, the athletic type the same, I say thank god there are so many types!!! :wub: |
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| ghostlyease | 10/11/2009 - 09:39 pm Post #24 |
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But Carlos that is the standard, not everyone has to abide by it or indeed get a dog that fits it, but the KC standard is there for those that wish to follow it, I believe I breed for a good all round dog, athletic and aesthetic, all my dogs are KC reg and have all the relevant health tests (Staffords) I think your more than happy with how Betty has turned out and she will never see a show ring, im more than happy with that, but id also be happy if she did, for me a dog should be able to do it all, for me that is the way forward and always has been. For those that do not wish to show or do not wish a dog to fit a standard then there are plenty of choices. |
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| ghostlyease | 10/11/2009 - 10:03 pm Post #25 |
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PS, should tell ya that Brett ( A very well known KC Judge) who has been to the ACES field on a few occasions and has seen Karma did comment on how nicely he was put together and conformationally how correct he indeed is, bar the light eyes and bad pigment in his nose, Karma is a cracking dog and excelling at so much more than being pretty scrap that, handsome ;) or conformationally right. :mate: |
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