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Topic Started: Dec 1 2008, 05:00 PM (564 Views)
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George went a long way towards making our President a King. I hope Obama has the will to change this. It's a rare person who will turn away power instead of "using it for good". Power is dangerously corrupting. It's a cause for great concern. Just look at all these troops being trained for domestic activities.
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Dec 3 2008, 08:56 AM
George went a long way towards making our President a King. I hope Obama has the will to change this. It's a rare person who will turn away power instead of "using it for good". Power is dangerously corrupting. It's a cause for great concern. Just look at all these troops being trained for domestic activities.
Urban warfare.......there's a concept.
Your sky is falling DB.
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dumblonde
Dec 3 2008, 08:56 AM
George went a long way towards making our President a King. I hope Obama has the will to change this. It's a rare person who will turn away power instead of "using it for good". Power is dangerously corrupting. It's a cause for great concern. Just look at all these troops being trained for domestic activities.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Your Messiah will make G.W. look like a shining STAR, and then the right will have to come back in in 4 years and fix the mess oblama will make...
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dumblonde
Dec 3 2008, 08:56 AM
George went a long way towards making our President a King. I hope Obama has the will to change this. It's a rare person who will turn away power instead of "using it for good". Power is dangerously corrupting. It's a cause for great concern. Just look at all these troops being trained for domestic activities.
Of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights, about the only one that hasn't been totally eviscerated up to this point is #3 (regarding the housing of soldiers in times of peace). I get the feeling that someone somewhere is trying desperately to change that.
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I laughed out loud when I read that W said to Charlie Gibson something like "I'm glad I never sold my soul for politics..."
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Gee, did women & blacks lose the right to vote?
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Dec 4 2008, 11:23 AM
Gee, did women & blacks lose the right to vote?
Ummm- those aren't covered in the Bill of Rights TP. Here they are. Educate yourself.

* First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

* Second Amendment – Right to keep and bear arms.

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

* Third Amendment – Protection from quartering of troops.

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

* Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

* Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.

No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

* Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

* Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

* Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

* Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

* Tenth Amendment – Powers of states and people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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like them Claus's,,
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You're correct, (nice copy & paste), db. I was thinking of the Constitution.
I stand corrected.

And unlike you, I carry a copy with me (most times) Bill of Rights and Constitution.

So, Yhitzak, how did G.W. f**k-up the all rights but the 3rd?
1) Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition (NOPE!)
2) Right to keep and bear arms. (NOPE!)
3) Protection from quartering of troops.
4) Protection from unreasonable search and seizure. (You'll say so but look again, NOPE!)
5) Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain. (You'll say the slime balls in Gitmo, didn't have due process, but look again trails are happening, and guess what the folks that we want to deport, their countries don't want them back, now what, let them run free in the US? Put them in US prisons, which are where they are recruiting other slime balls.)
6) Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel (See #5, I agree "speedy" is pretty general)
7) Civil trial by jury. (Military trials in process and have been)
8) Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment. (NOPE! Proved by left media, O water boarding, well I have no problem there...
Questioning, 2: to interrogate intensively…
Torture, 1 a: anguish of body or mind : AGONY b: something that causes agony or pain2: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure)

9) Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights. (NOPE! Slime balls HAVE NO RIGHTS)
10) Tenth Amendment – Powers of states and people.(NOPE!)
(O Executive Orders, been there they all do them... Wait till we see (if we're allowed) what oblama's are...
And if we are talking about Club Gitmo, than These are all mute. THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS, THEY'RE SLIMEBALLS
O 1 more fact the slimeballs that have been in Club Gitmo that have been released have turned up dead or recaptured fighting our heroes.
Edited by The Punisher, Dec 5 2008, 12:27 PM.
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For the record, I never said it was Dumbya who did *all* of the eviscerating. I said that most of the Bill of Rights with the exception of the 3rd Amendment has pretty much been eviscerated. I should have added "over the years" to that statement. But here's what I mean:

Amendment 1 - This has been abridged many times over the years. There are requirements for assembling (does anyone else see permits to convene in public places as a breach of this amendment?), free speech has gone to the Supreme Court more times than I can count over the years, and if church and state were *truly* separate... I can't even finish the statement because my head gets so full to think of it.

Amendment 2 - You're pretty much right about that, that it's gone pretty much untouched.

3 - Heh.

4 - Umm.... does the acronym FISA mean anything to you?

5 - Um, no. The prisoners in Gitmo (be they slimeballs by anyone's standards or not) are still prisoners of America and deserve the same rights to trial as anyone else being held in American prisons. I'm not suggesting that anyone let potential felons (to say the least) run amok, but I am suggesting that the only way to accurately deal with these people is to treat them like people. Right now, they're being treated like animals in the worst ways possible. This is a human rights issue and turning it into something else is sick.

6 - Yeah. See #5.

7 - Can't say much about that because I don't know enough at this time.

8 - Heh... yeah. Fuck you and the defense of torture techniques. Seriously. I have no qualms about telling anyone anywhere that that is a sick and indefensible position to hold. Torture is NEVER acceptable under ANY circumstances EVER. As though this amendment weren't enough, we also have the Geneva Conventions. But I suppose that's just liberal bullshit too, right?

9 - Just because you say it's so doesn't MAKE it so.

10 - Honestly, this one's open to a lot of interpretation, so I'm gonna leave it alone, too.

I'm angry and going away, now. This kind of defense of torture and evil is the kind of thing that will drive me to insanity and the rest of the world to apocalypse.
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