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UAW's bail out
Topic Started: Nov 18 2008, 07:01 AM (2,255 Views)
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Gringa
Nov 19 2008, 03:32 PM
TM, apparently you need to study up on the role of unions in the creations of current business practices..... it is possible that unions have run their course and are no longer needed. But, I am not sure what the Corporations would do to workers if there were not unions, perhaps they would take the workers back to horrendous working conditions and poverty level wages, perhaps not.

I don't have confidence that companies will do the right thing, sorry, but I don't.

One of the reasons non-union employers are treating people right is the threat of the union over their heads. IF that threat goes away... then what?
Uhm, I'm quite aware of the union's role in common workplace practices. Companies these days have to compete for decent workers. If there are poor conditions, they can go down the road to another job. People are talking as if uneployment is double digit. In Colorado right now it is 5.2%. I'm sure Jimmy Carter Junior can have us back to double digit unemployment in a couple of years. That is when employers hold too much power and unions become necessary. Hmmmm.....
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The Punisher
Nov 19 2008, 03:45 PM
Gringa, that’s just as I see the unions. They had their purpose, they filled that purpose, and we now have laws that govern rules of employment. Hell, I have to give 1 verbal warning and 3 written warnings FOR the same behavior before I can fire them. So they can get 3 warnings for each bad behavior. These warnings MUST be written properly and in the greatest detail you can imagine.
The time of the unions is over, they will be haunting corps. For years to come, as I said they are now just a cancer to the system, and hurt the middle class, and the average hard non-union workers…

But I guess it's all mute as paulson, just said he will not "bailout" auto, or use the 700 billion to help folks keep their houses. What the hell is he going to do with it?
That's what happens when we rush to a false "crisis", and give total control to one person...
I think some of us have been screaming for years that the Federal Reserve Board is out for Global control. MP posted the link for the America Freedom to Fascism movie over 2 years ago.

If we continue to take partisan stances and refuse to understand that this is a WHOLE government problem, that the goal is to destroy the middle class, that the goal is the rich get richer, that the goal is to reduce the majority of the world, including the US to 3rd world status (and now you are seeing the results of years of hard work by the FRB to achieve their goals) then their is no hope.

As the American people are standing by passing blame, they are busy at work....... Bless them, for they know what they are doing.
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Gringa
Nov 19 2008, 03:32 PM
TM, apparently you need to study up on the role of unions in the creations of current business practices..... it is possible that unions have run their course and are no longer needed. But, I am not sure what the Corporations would do to workers if there were not unions, perhaps they would take the workers back to horrendous working conditions and poverty level wages, perhaps not.

I don't have confidence that companies will do the right thing, sorry, but I don't.

One of the reasons non-union employers are treating people right is the threat of the union over their heads. IF that threat goes away... then what?
We all can sit here and type/debate how we feel about corporate management, the unions, and the employees - but it doesn't mean squat to the purchaser of the product (i.e. consumer).

REASON for BIG THREE DOWNFALL: The consumers lost their butt on well marketed cars, easy financing, and over inflated prices. Until consumers are willing to purchase new cars for cash or lease a new car they are going to pay cash for a used car or keep the one they are "upside down" in. ....anyone in their right mind would never finance a fast depreciating item like an American car. Why pay 8% APR when the car drops 20% in value driving it off the lot?

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What does purchasing a new car for cash have to do with depreciating value? Your post made no sense.

And it is not just the American cars that depreciate.... it has been widely know for as long as I can remember if you buy a car that is a year or two old, low mileage, it is the best deal around. Problem is you can not get longer term financing on a used car. Thus, higher payments.

This has been the case since the beginning of car financing. People have been upside down on cars for decades. If you drive more than 12k miles a year, leasing is not the answer, you can get even further behind that way.

Don't act like this is something new..... and stop acting like this is a domestic car problem. Jeeesh!
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SSB

Car's are a shitty investment, I don't care who makes em.
Just something you gotta have to get by...like asswipe.
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Mtnman
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bikes,, beter $$ in the long run but cold as shit in the winter....LOL
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SSB

Yep
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SSB
Nov 19 2008, 08:27 PM
Car's are a shitty investment, I don't care who makes em.
Just something you gotta have to get by...like asswipe.
Where do you come up with this stuff SSB? You crack me up! :ROFL:
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SSB

Thanks to the yuppie turds.
Used to be just a barter object.
I can't wait till it becomes 'uncool'........I can have a dream!
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DaisyLover
Nov 19 2008, 08:42 PM
SSB
Nov 19 2008, 08:27 PM
Car's are a shitty investment, I don't care who makes em.
Just something you gotta have to get by...like asswipe.
Where do you come up with this stuff SSB? You crack me up! :ROFL:
Just fly's outta my head,
whats up DL? good to see ya.
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