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Obama takes on heavy hitters; in his own party.
Topic Started: Jul 21 2009, 08:42 AM (606 Views)
dumblonde
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Good for him. It'd be easy for him to allow this unneeded, unwanted project move forward to win him support for health care. He is holding firm on this.

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White House gains momentum in F-22 fight
With a vote set for high noon on Tuesday, the political tide in the Senate has shifted to now favor the White House and Pentagon in their pivotal fight to strike new procurement funds for the F-22 fighter.



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It’s a fight some Democrats would argue that Obama was foolish to make, raising the stakes unnecessarily with early veto threats. But the F-22 termination is Gates’s signature issue in changing the Pentagon budget. Once committed, the prospect of a loss became more and more intolerable for Democrats, threatening to hurt the president’s standing at a time when he is already slipping in some polls and faces a difficult fight over health care reform.

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Republican undecideds are also crucial in what is a bipartisan fight on both sides of the issue. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and the committee’s ranking Republican, Arizona Sen. John McCain, are the chief advocates for striking the F-22 funds. Matched against them and the president are Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) and Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), whose home state has a major stake in the production of engines for the costly fighter.


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“We’re still hunting votes, but I think it’s very close. It will come down to the people who don’t really have a dog in the fight,” Chambliss told POLITICO late Monday. But two such swing votes tipped against the F-22 late Monday. Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) signaled he would most likely join McCain against the F-22 funding, and Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.) said flatly he would do the same after talking with Air Force Secretary Michael Donley over the weekend.

Their meeting at Cheyenne Frontier Days — “the granddaddy of all rodeos,” the senator boasted — captures some of the topsy-turvy nature of the whole F-22 fight.

“Secretary of the Air Force
Donley was the grand marshal of the Frontier Days parade, and I asked him how critical the money for the F-22 was,” Enzi told POLITICO. “And he said, ‘It’s not. If that money is left in there, then they will have to cut other defense programs in order to cover it.’”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25186.html




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Obama is a fool.
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That's the best you can do? Do you feel he should approve spending for $175 billion in spending the Pentagon neither wants or needs? Do you feel he should give his party members what they want to get support on his larger agenda (ala Bush)? Do you approve of his actions and are too small minded to admit it?
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Jul 21 2009, 10:02 AM
That's the best you can do? Do you feel he should approve spending for $175 billion in spending the Pentagon neither wants or needs? Do you feel he should give his party members what they want to get support on his larger agenda (ala Bush)? Do you approve of his actions and are too small minded to admit it?
Hey DB, what does it matter? The country is bankrupt, thanks to the 2006 and 2008 Congress.

Goldman Sachs gets billions from TARP to generate billions in profits. In the meantime, personal and business bankruptcies are up, foreclosures are up, and unemployment is up - all at record levels. It appears the Democrats greased the GS hands who feeds them.
Edited by Hello again, Jul 21 2009, 10:06 AM.
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The F22 is superior to anything else in the world. The F35 that they are saying they will pu the money into instead, while an exceptional fighter, is not as good a fighter as the F22. I should note that the F35 is still in the development phase. These guys are saying that we don't need these fighters because the chance of a hot war with a nation such as Russia or China is negligible. Why do they think that is? It is because we have superior war machines and nobody wants to fight us straight up. If we let that edge slip, we increase that chance.
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Good post TM!
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This fighter is not what the Air Force wants or needs right now. It takes 30 hrs of maintenence for every hour of flight time. The techs joke that they have to drive along underneath on training missions to pick up the pieces that fall off. The guys on mission in Afghanistan and Iraq are being shortchanged on equipment because projects like this suck up all the oxygen in the room. We're aren't trashing the ones we have, we just aren't going to add 7 new, unnecessary, useless, expensive new ones to the wing.
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But the republicans love all that unnecessary, useless, expensive, flashy pentagon stuff....it makes them feel like they are patriotic....I think $500 toilet seats do the same thing for them.....the more money you pour into the military, needed or not, wasted or not, they point to it and say.....see? we love the troops. My only wish is they would be as supportive of these same troops when they come home injured. Think of how much specialized medical care could be paid for with the cost of just one of these jets.
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Jul 21 2009, 02:11 PM
But the republicans love all that unnecessary, useless, expensive, flashy pentagon stuff....it makes them feel like they are patriotic....I think $500 toilet seats do the same thing for them.....the more money you pour into the military, needed or not, wasted or not, they point to it and say.....see? we love the troops. My only wish is they would be as supportive of these same troops when they come home injured. Think of how much specialized medical care could be paid for with the cost of just one of these jets.
Archer, can't you please for once...start the partisan crap?

I am sure we could start a list on all of the democraps military projects that are over budgeted or over priced. In fact, the list of Murtha's expenditures alone from Iraq/Afgan war spending bills should help assist you in placing you foot up in your mouth.

Archer, why do the troops, by a huge majority, vote for Republicans?

Archer, the US taxpayers spend an extraorbinant about money on the vets of the country. The problem with the Vet Admin Hospitals...is exactly the problem with Obama's Healthcare "proposal" ....they are run by government. The delivery of services by the government is always more expensive.

By the way, who's the Democrap that keeps funding for the money losing "government entity" Amtrak?

Now we know why the US Government always spins off money losing government run entities....

US Postal Service
Amtrak
Fannie Mae
Freddie Mac

..... why? Because they separate themselves from the clamity of their government run mistakes and get to point fingers at one another while extorting cash from the American taxpayer.






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Jul 21 2009, 01:56 PM
This fighter is not what the Air Force wants or needs right now. It takes 30 hrs of maintenence for every hour of flight time. The techs joke that they have to drive along underneath on training missions to pick up the pieces that fall off. The guys on mission in Afghanistan and Iraq are being shortchanged on equipment because projects like this suck up all the oxygen in the room. We're aren't trashing the ones we have, we just aren't going to add 7 new, unnecessary, useless, expensive new ones to the wing.
What do the pilots think? Is there a fighter anywhere in the world that can even come close to the F22? There is no reason why it has to be this project OR equipment for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Simply cut all of the ridiculous pork in the "stimulous bill" and we could build 20 more.
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