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| dumblonde | Mar 31 2009, 08:03 AM Post #11 |
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This isn't federal, it's on a state level. Blaming Obama for what state legislatures do is asinine. If this is proposed in Colorado, I'll fight it. Laws in other states are up to their residents. |
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| Hello again | Mar 31 2009, 08:41 AM Post #12 |
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Mtnman, it's hopeless...the liberal and their leftist followers continue to drink the kool-aid. Did you see Obama is proposing $ 2.8 billion in military aid to Pakistan. I wish I go around the world giving out checks. I wonder if his tail has been groomed for the G-20. Will Teleprompter One accompany the President for EIGHT days. I wonder how many blank checks he's taking? 20 |
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| archer | Mar 31 2009, 10:25 AM Post #13 |
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a direct quote mtnman was what I was aking for. I guess you didn't read the rest of what I posted.....and it was such a short post......whatever Obama's beliefs, I have seen no evidence that he plans to infringe on your gun rights.....please show me anywhere he has said they he will. Like DB posted....this is a state issue and sure seems it was dead in the water before it even began. |
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| Mtnman | Mar 31 2009, 04:25 PM Post #14 |
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Hon I ain't going shopping for a quote, they are in all his speeches, I quoted them a long time ago, and If you want to pay me I'll dig em up but till then do your own research. Typical lefty show me where to find this, show me how to do this,, SPEND money is alll I know. on another note it is no different than the dems and anti's saying black guns are bad, the mexicans get their guns from gun shows in the US hand guns should be outlawed.. Get a grip when they take away your freedoms and your guns they will own your ass. Here is a good read on the mexican shit: Who Is Arming the Mexican Drug Cartels? by Michael Gaddy by Michael Gaddy The state, Mexican authorities and their US propaganda arm, known in most circles as the Mainstream Media, have recently embarked on a huge disinformation campaign to demonize the American gun owner as the supplier of weapons to the Mexican drug cartels. Everyone in the media, with the possible exception of Lou Dobbs, has joined in the campaign of lies. Shown here, on a CBS special, is video proof of the lies and disinformation by CBS, US and Mexican authorities. Anderson Cooper and Janet Napolitano are either ignorant or complicit in the myth that M-203s, RPGs and hand grenades are readily available to the American gun consumer. Most intelligent folks, and those without a state sponsored agenda, realize these weapons are usually only available to the military. This week, Secretary of Homeland Defense, Janet Napolitano, announced a new plan to curb the alleged flow of weapons from the US into Mexico. This program, which will cost the overwhelmed US Taxpayer another 700 million dollars plus, includes machines that employ what is referred to as "virtual strip search." This plan will supposedly slow down the number of guns traveling south from the US to the drug cartels in Mexico. If this program has the same success rate as the government’s efforts at stopping the flow of contraband north into the US, the Mexican drug cartels will have nuclear weapons by the end of April! While not stated as such, I am sure this will eventually morph into "the war on guns." Funny, is it not, every time our government "declares war" on something, it always increases exponentially! Whether it is poverty, drugs, terrorism or guns, when the state declares war, rapid growth and expansion of that which is the object of that war is inevitable. Napolitano stated, "70% of the weapons in the hands of the drug cartels are coming from the US." The implication is obvious she is referring to private gun owners. The MSM sucks up this propaganda like a large-mouth bass takes a worm, and regurgitates it to Boobus without ever questioning the truthfulness behind the claim. Neither Mexican, nor US officials, has ever produced an ounce of proof to back up these wild accusations. Wednesday, on MSNBC, in an interview by Andrea Mitchell, New York Congressional Representative, Nita Lowey stated 97% of the guns in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels originated in the US. Representative Lowey, in her support for a new Assault Weapons Ban, alleges these firearms are coming from the American gun owner. She is correct in her assertion many of the firearms being used by the cartels are coming from Americans. They are, but, from the American taxpayer, not the American gun owner! The fact is: the Mexican authorities have refused to release the serial numbers of weapons confiscated from drug cartel members. Releasing the serial numbers would implicate the corrupt governments of the US and Mexico and their involvement in arming the drug cartels. Considering the above, it is my belief the Mexican drug cartels are procuring a large percentage of weapons from the world’s largest supplier of these weapons: the United States government! The type of weapons confiscated and the unwillingness of those involved to supply weapon serial numbers is a clear indicator. Because of the "narco-wars," the US government supplies the Mexican military with arms and training. The Mexican military has trained at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, and the arms budget from the US to Mexico is in the billions. Drug profits realized from the sale of drugs in the US by Mexico’s violent drug cartels are estimated to be as high as 40 billion dollars per year. With that amount of money, is there any question as to the ability of the cartels to purchase military weapons provided by the United States government from corrupt Mexican government officials and members of their military? In the mid 1990s, U.S. government statistics revealed at least six billion dollars a year was spent by the cartels in bribes and payoffs to officials in the Mexican government and military. In February of 1997, the Clinton Administration announced it was certifying the Mexican government as a "full ally" in the war on drugs. Clinton’s Drug Czar, Army General Barry McCaffrey, described Mexican General Jesus Gutierrez Rebollo, who headed up the Mexican National Institute to Combat Drugs (INCD) as a "man of absolute unquestioned character."(Emphasis added) Shortly after McCaffrey’s statement, Rebollo was arrested for taking bribes from one of the largest drug cartels in Mexico. Rebollo had been present at secret meetings involving the White House, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Drug Enforcement Agency. When speaking of drug cartels and military weapons, one would be remiss in not covering the involvement of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and their decades-long involvement in worldwide drug trafficking. The evidence produced at the Iran Contra hearings proved the CIA was involved with smuggling cocaine in order to fund the Nicaraguan Contra Army. Is there any question they are involved with the Mexican drug cartels and perhaps facilitating their procurement of military weapons, or better yet, trading arms for drugs? In 2007, then President George W. Bush, with help from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, was able to get legislation passed that would provide Mexico with at least 1.4 billion dollars for Mexican military and police forces. In May of 2008, Kristen Bricker wrote of Plan Mexico, "Plan Mexico will provide resources, equipment, and training to the Mexican government, police, and military. It will not give Mexico liquid funds. The US military, government agencies such as USAID, and US defense contractors such as mercenary firms and weapons manufacturers will receive funding to carry out Plan Mexico. Plan Mexico is yet another bill to line the pockets of the military industrial complex." Our government is certainly aware of the rampant corruption within the Mexican government and military, yet we continue to provide them with money, military weapons and training, including all of the military weapons mentioned earlier in this article and shown in film clips by the mainstream media as proof positive we need a new Assault Weapons Ban. (AWB) Our corrupt government, cooperating with Mexico’s equally corrupt government, has embarked on a campaign to deprive American citizens of the means to defend ourselves from tyranny, screening their own involvement in arming violent criminal drug cartels. We can weakly submit, or stand for truth and liberty; the choice is ours. March 27, 2009 Michael Gaddy [send him mail], an Army veteran of Vietnam, Grenada, and Beirut, lives in the Four Corners area of the American Southwest. |
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| archer | Mar 31 2009, 04:33 PM Post #15 |
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touchy, touchy....you make a statement, I asked you to back it up......that is not MY job.......and don't call me "hon".
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| Mtnman | Mar 31 2009, 04:42 PM Post #16 |
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OK I lied here are some of his Quotes. " I am consistently on recorf and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry." Chicago Tribune 4/27/04 " T think it is a scandal that this president [Bush] did not authorize a renewal of the asault weapons ban." IL Senate Debate #3 Barack vs. Keyes " I beleive in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the faces od the gun manufacturer's lobby." The Audacity of Hope By Barack Obama, 2006 What he has done: Voted to allow the prosecution of people who use a firearm in self defense of their own home. IL, senate, sb 2165 on 3/25/04 SUPPORTED INCREASING TAXES ON FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION BY 500%. the Cihcago Defender 12/13/99 Voted to allow frivilous lawsuits against gun makers designed to banckrupt them. U S SEnate S. 397 vote # 219 7/29/05 Endorsed a ban on all handguns. IL Voters general candidate questionnaire. 9/9/06 Voted to ban nearly all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and clay skeet and trap shooting. US Senate S 397 vote #217 7/29/05 I can go on and on as he has voted for every bill both in his state of IL and in Washington that had anything to do with gun control or banning of. Funny how he was always just present when it came to other matters of the US. |
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| archer | Mar 31 2009, 04:59 PM Post #17 |
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see....that wasn't so hard was it. Which of those laws are going to take the guns from your cold dead hand? None seemed designed to take my guns away......but I don't own any of the really cool assault weapons. I've often wondered if people really favor no control over guns at all...sell any kind of gun and ammo to anyone who comes along....no checks, no regulations. Is that what you favor? Edited by archer, Mar 31 2009, 05:01 PM.
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| Gringa | Mar 31 2009, 05:07 PM Post #18 |
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You see, it is not only a plan to ban guns, but this whole drug cartel issue is a way of getting rid of cash. If we go to an electronic cash system, the cartels are fucked as is their huge cash supplies. (as are a lot of other people) |
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| Mtnman | Mar 31 2009, 05:10 PM Post #19 |
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1 foot in the door. all it takes. we already have so many laws on the books in regards to guns ammo etc, that law enforcement doesn't even know them. I say enforce what we have quit making up more. It's easy Look at Switzerland, everyone eligible is Required by law to have a Military Approved Rifle and semi auto handgun and they have to practice with it every month to be prolific. In Pakistan you must have an Automatic weapon (banned in the US) you do need a permit but usually ciitzens have 3 or 4 permits. |
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| Mtnman | Mar 31 2009, 05:13 PM Post #20 |
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You will not get rid of drugs till you get rid of the Big Guys in the US making all the money from them. |
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